Eliminatorias al Mundial de Catar 2022

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  1. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Benjamin Kuscevic couldn't achieve his Real Madrid status. Croatia doesn't invite him.

    Goalkeeper is the problem. Bravo much older, others in domestic league.
    Arias in Racing, stronger Argentine league.

    Defenders: Isla (still good), Paulo Diaz (River Plate).

    Leverkusen has problems in Bundesliga, can't compete with Bayern, Leipzig, Dortmund. Aranguiz is there.

    A lot of players in Mexican league.

    Best Peruvians should be Trauco (St. Etienne), Tapia (Celta Vigo), Vilca (Newcastle), two, three play in good Boca Juniors, Velez and Internacional.

    Uruguay has much more players in Europe, often key players.

    Ecuador not so much. Still, complicated to play against them.

    Colombia nice clubs: Atalanta, Everton, Juventus, Tottenham, Porto, Sporting, Napoli.
     
  2. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Aranguiz is the captain of Levekusen and he's probably our best player at the moment, even though he was poor this time around.

    Erick Pulgar from Fiorentina is a very good midfielder that would have started had he not being injured. Defender Maripán from Monaco is also very good.
     
  3. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Tough night for Champions League favoritos, PSG, RENNES, CHELSEA, ZENIT.
    A lot of South American players are the key players in Champions League.:whistling:
    USAFA
     
  4. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    #54 guri, Nov 13, 2020
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2020
    Luego del partido Perú vs Brasil y Argentina vs Paraguay estamos en condiciones de afirmar que el VAR en manos de los árbitros sudamericanos es como darle una navaja a un mono...
    — Javier Castrilli (@castrillijavier) November 13, 2020

    La seguridad jurídica de las eliminatorias se encuentra en serio riesgo. No existe ninguna seguridad de cómo actuarán ciertos árbitros. Todavía no hemos visto lo peor... quién/es son responsables de los perjuicios???
    — Javier Castrilli (@castrillijavier) November 13, 2020

    Cómo se explica que habiendo un acto de brutalidad por parte de Romero (saltar con ambas rodillas en la espalda de un adversario) NO HAYA ACTUADO EL VAR...??? Cuántos deberían renunciar si Palacios tuviera una lesión grave???
    — Javier Castrilli (@castrillijavier) November 13, 2020

    Saltar con ambas rodillas en la espalda de un adversario... no es acaso brutalidad??? En la página 123 de las Reglas de Juego leemos como causal de expulsión directa lo siguiente: pic.twitter.com/cQ76TXhmT8
    — Javier Castrilli (@castrillijavier) November 13, 2020

    Hay algo que se nos pasó por alto: la tecnología no transfiere conocimientos ni aptitudes a quienes deben operarla. En consecuencia, si Shrek maneja un Audi imposible será arribar a conclusiones verdaderas partiendo de premisas falsas.
    — Javier Castrilli (@castrillijavier) November 13, 2020

    A Palacios lo fracturaron quienes desde la dirigencia del fútbol pretenden árbitros SACADORES DE PARTIDOS... como centrales y desde el VAR...
    Quienes a través de las designaciones premian a quienes no amonestan o expulsan cuando corresponde para terminar con los 22 jugadores cueste lo que cueste
    — Javier Castrilli (@castrillijavier) November 13, 2020

    :thumbsup:

    https://www.futbol.com.uy/Deportes/...os--Como-darle-una-navaja-a-un-mono--uc770471
     
  5. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Finally a victory... and against a direct rival like Peru, these 3 points feel like 6. Key victory to get back on track. Only downside is Vidal practically won this for us. I can't see any of our forwards posing much of a threat at all... it's worrying. If Alexis continues getting injured I don't see how we are gonna make this work.

    It's weird, we are distinctly average. Not bad... just... decent. I can't see anyone destroying us, but by the same token I don't see us destroying any opposition either. If we qualify we are going to drag our feet to the finish line.
     
  6. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Several matches provided surprises.:eek:
    Argentina - Paraguay 1-1. But Paraguay took points in Argentina earlier. Paraguay is never easy to meet.:cool:
    Colombia - Uruguay 0-3. I watched this game. Early goal took motivation and Uruguay controlled entire match. Unusual to see Colombia in such edition. Uruguay has another great generation.

    The rest seems expected. Watched Chile - Peru. Empty stadium, children on displays in tunnel. It was hard match.:thumbsdown: Peru had some good counter attacks. Goal of Vidal - very nice.:thumbsup: One nice defence of Bravo at the end of first halftime directed the rest of match. Gallese prevented some nice attempts. Alexis Sanchez on the bench at first. He is returning in shape in Inter. Beausejour was solid, despite of his age. Croatian referee Esteban Ostojich (Uruguay). One player of Croatian descent Raul Ruidiaz Misitich (Peru).

    Ecuador - Colombia Colombia will go with fear. Ecuador can be great.:D
    Uruguay - Brazil Derby of the day.:)
    Peru - Argentina - Hard trip in Peru for Argentina.:rolleyes: I doubt that Argentina might lose, with draw they can't be much happy.
     
  7. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Ecuador is going to destroy Colombia as well. They could dominate any team on the heights of Quito. A draw would be nice though and feel like a victory for Colombia.

    Uruguay v Brazil the best match of the bunch. I feel Uruguay is favourite at home. Don't care which team wins since I feel both of them will go to the World Cup.

    Peru v Argentina. Tough away match for Argentina. I agree that a draw is possible.

    What do you think are our chances away against Venezuela. They played well against Brazil, I can see them making like difficult for us once again, even though we have the team to beat them, I think a draw or even a defeat is possible. I'm going to be cautious and say we will get an away draw.
     
  8. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
    Staff Member

    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    People are starting to defend Peru as to us having another poor start. Have they ever wondered as to why we don't qualify for World Cups? Part of it is because we always have to make historic comebacks and that hurts our chances a lot. Last time was the only time we managed it and we needed a bit of help as well.

    3 points vs Argentina is a must.
     
  9. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    Venezuela was awful. They couldn't make two consecutive passes. Brazil was just uncreative and that's why it was 1-0.

    I can't judge Venezuela's chances against Chile from this game because their gameplan won't be defending all 90 minutes like yesterday.
     
  10. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    About other games:

    Ecuador vs Colombia - Ecuador is favorite but Colombia is often a good altitude visitor. Also guess they will really want a turn around after losing badly at home.

    Uruguay vs Brazil - Without Neymar and Casemiro this is a big chance for Uruguay to snatch a win from the brazucas after a long time.

    Paraguay vs Bolivia - Paraguay is far from being great but this is just a training session.

    Perú vs Argentina - this will be the first match in which our defense will be really tested since Ecuador, Bolivia and Paraguay barely attacked. I think both teams have weak defenses so I imagine a high scoring game. Like 2-2 or more.
     
  11. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #61 Gilbertsson, Nov 14, 2020
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2020
    Not sure. Venezuela seems easier than Peru. Victory for Chile. Anything else is surprise. Maybe Brazil underestimated Venezuela. Uruguay could lose against Brazil. It's hard to build the victorious story against Brazil. It always something goes bad and Brazil scores. Brazil is strong just like at WC 1994. In 2002, Brazil never had strong competition.

    Slow progress on this ladder in Conmebol. Venezuela must score their first goal. Bolivia, Venezuela won't have nice moments here. Chile must win against Bolivia, Venezuela. After Venezuela heavy schedule: Paraguay, Ecuador, Argentina. These 3 are very important. Argentina must include Tagliafico, Pezzella, Dybala, Aguero, Acuna, Rojo...too many injured players.

    There are numerous direct opponents. Brazil seems as someone from above, widest bench. Argentina, Uruguay close to top. Colombia could be a negative story if they don't qualify. Mina can't play, red card. Queiroz isn't good coach. Very far from Pekerman for example. Queiroz lost his job in every bigger club and in Portugal NT.

    These three rounds don't clarify anything. If Uruguay losses against Brazil, Argentina, they will slide down. They have good relations with Argentina.

    The conclusion is that some teams can harm to anyone. Like Paraguay, Ecuador, Peru, Colombia. Hard to say, who can get all 6 points from them.
     
  12. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
    Staff Member

    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Always remember that losing to Brazil isn't the end of the world.

     
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  13. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    I wonder what this chart might have looked like had it been compiled before the World Cup qualifying tournament for France 1998. That was the first CONMEBOL WCQ tournament which instead of groups had a system of every team vs. every team, home and away.

    The separation of certain teams under the old group system ensured, for example, that Brazil and Argentina never faced each other in WCQ until July 26, 2000. And only for the 1994 World Cup did Brazil and Uruguay face each other in WCQ.

    For Brazil-Paraguay, WCQ confrontations happened for the 1954, 1970, 1978, and 1986 World Cups - again, before the current system was adopted.

    For now, though, I'll settle for the fact that Brazil's track record of home WCQ matches has nothing but "NEVER" re: defeats. :D
     
  14. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Uruguay's run of not beating Brazil will come to an end in a few hours.
     
  15. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    First Viña, last night Suarez and Muñoz(goal keeper sub) tested positive for covid-19.

    Also Gabriel Menino in Brasil

    All of them out tonight

    This tests were done monday and yesterday. Not sure if there is another test today. Who knows what could happen.
     
  16. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    Uruguay IMO doesn't lose much without Suárez since they have Núñez who is in better form.
     
  17. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    Last weekend one player from Danubio tested positive, and the MSP(Ministerio de Salud Publica) cancelled ALL local league games.
    But apparently Conmebol has more power.
     
  18. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    hmmm... Suarez makes their defense weaker just by being there. They enter the game knowing that they can't relax for a second or he'll make them pay, and that make things happen for the other guys.
    But I hope you're right and this kid is ready. I saw this kid a couple of years back playing in Peñarol and thought he was a "tronco", he had the speed and the strength but I didnt see much more. Now he's scoring from everywhere and the Benfica coach says he'll be the best in the world some day. Shows you what I know. I hope he has that head screwed on right, and the drive to makes him work hard and learn like Suarez did. We'll see.
     
  19. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    I just think Brazil have been to comfortable these past few matches, dragging their feet a bit. If they don't play their best Uruguay is going to take advantage, but I don't think Brazil will be up for it. They are leading the table and that's when relaxation sets in. Venezuela managed to complicate things from them, Uruguay can do more than just complicate them.
     
  20. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Wow Colombia just got fooked.
     
  21. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    There is no dragging feet ... what there is is Brazil not looking so great specially without Neymar and Uruguay being a good team.
     
  22. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Venezuela beats Chile 2-1. I'm glad for them; this is a team that has tried to improve and has scored some impressive wins in WCQ over the past several years. I would love for them to reach the World Cup one day; each small step forward counts.
     
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  23. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Told you we weren't going to drag our feet. Not sure where you got that impression.
     
  24. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Paraguay has 78 percent of ball possession, 2-2
    Uruguay is losing 0-2, but they have the game.
    Surprise for Chile. Unexpected defeat.
    Colombia in serious problems.

    Red card for Cavani, this is over.
     
  25. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    What the hell happened to Colombia???

    Queiroz is out, no doubt, right?
     

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