Election Day.

Discussion in 'Bill Archer's Guestbook' started by hangthadj, Nov 5, 2002.

  1. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
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    So I'm guessing you voted republican today...am i right?
     
  2. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
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    Pretty much, although I voted for a Democrat for State Representative. She's much brighter than the clod of a candidate the GOP came up with. When in doubt I vote for the person with a functional brain. I also voted against Betty Montgomery, because she's a headline grabbing non-entity. The only problem is that her opponent isn't much better.

    For Governor, there was no good choiice. Boring Bob or Taxing Tim. Blech.

    I'm not nearly as idiological as people think. It's just that the overwhelming majority of the noxious, hypocritical lies are currently coming from the Democrats.

    They don't have a program, any ideas or any policies to suggest. About ANYTHING.

    Noticed any Democrat political ads this year? Every one consists solely of "I'll stand up for working families against Big Oil, Big Drugs and whatever else you can find that's big"

    It's all utter nonsense, and it's the flip side of Clintonism, which, far from saving the Democrat Party, may ironically turn out to be it's undoing.

    Clinton ran solely on the basis of "The Republicans are bad men. He didn't have a p[rogram either, no real ideas and accomplished almost nothing except welfare reform and NAFTA which he opposed anyway.

    His whole campaign consisted of "Vote for me - I'm not a Republican"

    And it worked brilliantly.

    But the hacks can't pull it off because they haven't got his charm. They just end up looking mean and nasty.

    It's like your signature line. It's a classic, and I just copied it and sent it to some friends. I truly hope that you were being sarcastic.

    Because you see, the point is not that black people are black and so Republicans hate them. That's what Clinton told everybody and only idiotsd believe it.

    The problem is that black voters are in the back pocket of the Democratic party.

    The author of your quote apparently feels that the Republicans are morally deficient because they aren't conducting a massive "Get Out The Vote" campiagn in and among a voting block that year in and year out goes 90% OR MOREW Democrat.

    Apparently the idea is to provide transportation and lunch to voters who plan on putting you out of a job.

    This makes sense to you?

    Here's a tip: the GOP doesn't go out of it's way to get the feminists or the steelworkers to the polls either. It ain't because of their color, it's because those groups hate them.

    Duh.

    Black voters screw themselves. The Democrats own them, and they get nothing in return. They would have a lot more political power in this country if they made BOTH parties WORK for their vote.

    Instead, the Republicans write off the black vote becuase they know damn well that no matter WHAT they do they'll turn around and vote Democrat.

    Conversely, the Democrats know they can copmpletely ignore the needs of black citizens because they'll get get their votes anyway.

    Bill Clinton gave a lot of lip-biting speeches about the plight of black Americans. Just like all Democrats do, he just does it better.

    And what did he do for them? Not a damned thing.

    No, my frined, it's the DEMOCRATS who abuse the black voters, not the Republicans.

    The Republican party has spent millions trying to reach out to black voters. Contrary to what your sig says, they would LOVE to put that block in play. And it would be by far the smartest and best thing black Americans have done for themselves in a generation.

    But they choose to stay down on the plantation with Ol Massah Bill and his house boys like Jesse Jackson.

    And you sure can't blame the Republicans for that.

    I'll put it even simpler for you: The Republicans don't care what color a vote is. They'll take green ones, purple ones, same as the Democrats. Problem is, the black vote is held hostage and they can't get to it.

    To claim that that Republicans are racists who want a return to segregated lunch counters and don't even WANT black votes is just plain idiotic. They're politicians. And the one thing they do well is count.
     
  3. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

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    Mar 27, 2001
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    First of all, the quote I have was just to stir the pot a little bit, which I belive is the same reason for some of your quotes recently, or just about anything Ann Coulter says. I don't really agree with it, its just good to get people talking. For the record it was from a editorial in the Kansas City Star (I'm not sure that Star is the right name, but it was KC) of all places. The writer made no reference to the JeanCarnahan (Sp?) race, but I wouldn't be suprised if that's what brought it on.

    As for the Democrats. They have no goddamn nationwide/partywide policy right now, and it should hurt them in the polls. They have come up with no fiscal/economic plan and instead have just blocked anything Bush has tried to do and they pretty much just rolled over on the Iraq vote. These are the two biggest talking points of the election nationwide and they have nothing to stand on there. Not a good way to go into such a pivatol election. But they have chosen to just stay bitter about 2000 and keep up a hatred instead of creating their own policies. It crosses over the borderline into full on idiocy, and it's damn frustrating. Especially when you look across the country at local statehouse, and Governor elections and see the Dems fairing pretty well. It's just the ones in Washington who don't have a damn clue.
     
  4. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
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    Andrew Sullivan today:

    Believe it or not, but Joe Conason nails it on the head. He's wrong about Minnesota (I think Coleman will win) but right about the Democrats in general. Here's what he says:

    But there is no Democratic leadership willing to do more than look for weaknesses on the other side. If Tom Daschle and Dick Gephardt have an alternative economic program, they have kept it well hidden throughout this campaign. What they have, at the moment, is a program of opposition. They are the opposition, so that's fine. Such a program may sustain them through this election. But it won't get them far over the next two years, when a new leader will emerge in the struggle for the Democratic presidential nomination. The old saying that you can't beat somebody with nobody applies to policy as well. You can't beat something with nothing - although you may be able to hold your own.

    Of course, I think Conason understates the Democratic problem. The reason they will likely not win the House today is quite simply because they have provided almost no reason whatever to vote for them.

    On the war, they're all over the map, with the center of gravity being an attempt to appear pro-war while privately being against it. On the economy, they have no clear program. They're against the Bush tax cut, but they are not for reversing it. Then there's warmed-over, Mondale soup - comforting but hardly exciting. What remains is simply a defense of certain entrenched interests - mainly the elderly and African-Americans.

    I'm not saying the Republicans are a whole lot better. I wish they had more imaginative economic proposals, more courage in their attempt to reform social security, more gonads in resisting the creeping socialization of America's healthcare system. But at least we know they're pro-war, pro-Bush, and anti-tax. That's far clearer than the Democrats.

    Which is to say that, whatever happens, neither the Democrats nor the Republicans actually deserve to win. But the Democrats actively deserve to lose.
     
  5. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

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    I couldn't agree more here.
    Though, as I've said before I think you are being too harsjh on Mondale. The only reason I think he is in there is that he has name recognition, something they desperately needed in the 10 days they had to keep a hold on that race. If Wellstone had died 6 months ago I would think (hope...) that the Democrats would have got something more than "warmed over Mondale Soup".
    As for Daschle and Gephardt, screw them, the real Democrat power in the next 4-8 years will come from the Governorships, like Ed Rendell, who while annoying in the election night coverage in 2000, will win Pennsylvania handily today and hopefully exert some life into the Democratic party.
     
  6. Flyer Fan

    Flyer Fan Member+

    Apr 18, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Bill, how can you not get giddy just thinking about four more years of Taft, which gives us four more years of him wearing starched and pressed flannel shirts when visiting the farming areas of the state?

    Have you ever seen a guy so uncomfortable in that environment?
     
  7. Zak

    Zak Member

    Feb 18, 2002
    Massive Club
    score one for the good guys.
     
  8. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

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    Well the next two years you are screwed if you aren't rich and white. At least I'm white.
     
  9. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
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    Just out of curiosity, why do you say this?


    FF:

    How did Taft ever have kids? Artificial insemination? Between him and that little weasel Mike DeWine, they could put a room full of six year olds to sleep.
     
  10. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
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    Just cause I am depressed cause the dems ran a horrible campaign nationwide, the GOP deserved all their wins. good for them. I just want a gin thats all. I'm a bit of a sore loser I guess.
     
  11. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
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    Columbus Crew
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    Come by my place: I've got an unopened bottle of Beefeater, and we'll see if we can find the bottom of it.
     
  12. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

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    sounds good i get outta work at 5 and i'll be straight over.
     

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