El indecido me molesta, si no me quiero, Transfer Thead 2016

Dont forget the birthday cake!

 

The cake is a lie.

 

What did denilson win again?

 

Damn the Denilson revisionism on here is surprising

 

It's not really revisionism - I've said that he was very good until the back injury, and have done so for years. I think Prince has too.

 

God I dunno, I remember how frustrating he was in possession. He was better at maintaining possession, but he wasn't any more incisive than Coq nowadays. And he was pretty much out to sea defensively.

 

He had some moments where he looked really good. I'm forgetting the exact year, but I think it was the year we had a really strong youth team in the Carling Cup - Vela, Bendtner, Denilson, and others. He never produced that on the main Arsenal stage, though.

 

There were a lot of players from that Carling Cup era who looked like they were going to be really good.

 

prior to that everton game, he was not the momentum killer he became and, while he was never fleet of foot, he was getting to be solid defensively.

 

Not true.

https://arsenalcolumn.wordpress.com...-risen-from-the-shadows-to-take-centre-stage/

In 2008/2009:

Tackles won (includes aerial): 148 (average 4 per game)
Tackles lost: 81 (average 2 per game)
Pass interceptions: 146 (average 4 per game)
Accurate passes: 2,009 (average 59 per game)
Bad passes: 238 (average 7 per game)
Assists: 7
Goals: 3

For a 22 year old midfielder in a team badly hampered by injuries, those numbers are really, really good. Hell, those numbers are fantastic for any deep lying midfielder.

 

I'm probably biased and I'll say that I never rated Denilson. Not because he was terrible...he was a good player. But he was a momentum killer is what I remember. Defensively he wasn't okay during that stretch, but he wasn't Gilberto during a time when Gilberto's and makeleles were still useful. In 08/09 iirc he played with song behind him so that helped.

For me, he represented the tiquitaca that was the problem back then. And when cesc went out he didn't step up and create chances, or at least that's what I remember. He once had 73/73 completion and almost none of them were forward and those that were were short. I remember that he rarely bypassed defenders with his passes which is a characteristic only recently valued and led to the signing of xhaka and probably ozil as well.

I think as teams (including arsenal) started to value chance creating, ball-winning and tempo driving midfielders he couldn't find a niche since he was pretty mediocre at all of those.

 

That's not true.

 

People remember who they like fondly

 

Like Eduardo even before injury

 

Not true that it helped or that they played together?

 

Song only played CM 14 times that season in hte premiership while Denilson got 35 matches, so it isnt a true statement.

 

We're songs other games at CB? I saw him as 31 league games and 48 total. Along with denilsons 51 they were on the pitch together for most of our games that season.

 

im going by this
http://www.football-lineups.com/footballer/541/?t=216&s=19

By the end of the season, Song started more games as Denislon kind of faded physically.

I meant 19, not 14 tho but it wasnt enough for you to make the statement that Song was helping Denilson out a lot.

The truth is, Cesc was the problem with that midfield, not Denilson. Its why Wenger went with the 4231.

 

Not going to go back and do a game for game analysis, but if song played 19 and Denilson played 37 of the 38 then they both were on the pitch quite a bit together.

To the point, if Denilson was so good defensively then how/why did Arsene put song in the midfield?

Cesc was hurt iirc and only played 22 league games. Diaby played more that season than cesc.

 

Not saying Denilson is as good, but Mascherano was behind Xabi Alonso.

It's called a formation and wanting complete control, Cesc could not be trusted in a two man midfield unless he had a rabid runner beside him who did nothing else but run. (Flamini)

It's why I believe Wenger needs to get with the times and start playing more central midfielders or risk losing control against better midfields.