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Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by total_football, May 3, 2016.
Theo is homegrown though.
Apparently Gazidis, Wenger and co are playing even closer to the vest. Hopefully, they are really cooking something.
Wc just promoted The Jeff. I can't see him do worse anyway.
except on defense.
Ox is way worse defensively than Joel. Numerous times early last season when he was getting a run of games when he cost us.
His tendency to for bonehead passes or dribbles and lose the ball in dangerous situations is simply infuriating.
That's great, but he's taking Ox's place in the lineup. It still matters that one is better than the other.
I have no problem with us playing someone better than Ox (like Iwobi). I just don't think Ox is rubbish.
He has played 90 games in the last 3 years. For a sub that's not bad. I think if we keep Ox and Theo in our books, it's another example of Wenger not being tough on players who consistently underperform instead of making them fight for their careers.
We are not Newcastle who keep Obertan, Ameobi, Taylor in their books for no reason and reward them with new contracts.
Disagree - Ox started exactly one league game last season that we lost (the West Ham game, and I don't remember either goal being his fault, though I could be wrong). He did play as a sub in both losses to Chelsea (came on when we were down) and as a sub in the game at Southampton when we were already down 2-0.
I'm not sure that there's anything wrong with a defender being invisible, though he seems to be good positionally (and Barcelona created nothing against us until Ox went off, and proceeded to tear us to shreds afterwards). I'd love to hear why you guys disagree though.
The conversation about Ox reminds me of the discussions we had about Ramsey before Ramsey really put it together.
Jeff is under 21, so I believe he doesn't count against the 25 player cap.
In fairness, there are stats that support your argument that Ox > Joel:
Small stats, not saying he's terrible defensively but he also started barca, olympiacos, Zagreb which were losses.
What games does he disappear? Ox was terrible against olympiacos in the loss, and Campbell was great in the 2nd leg. He's only been here on season and as I said, he's just a little older than ox.
As you mentioned earlier ox suffers bc his fcuk ups are very apparent--1v1 give always in open field, crosses that go for throws on the opposite side, etc. but comparing the two I see little that merits keeping ox over Joel. As far as I am concerned either can go.
And as for one footedness...so is ozil and apparently xhaka.
Not sure that's accurate. Ramsey had a stretch in 2009 where he looked great (I specifically remember say "Wow" during that Portsmouth goal) and had a rough 18 months after coming back from the Shawcross injury.
Ox, at 22, has not shown me anything comparable to Ramsey (Ramsey was 19 in 2009).
I suspect he and Theo get so much rope from Wenger because their British. Otherwise, I think they both would have been shipped out ages ago.
Sound and fury.
That's not the argument. Ox is probably better, but as I said JC just got here and had a decent season. He made some nice goals and worked his ass off most of the time.
I was arguing that's it's unfair to cast JC off after a decent first season and keep Ox who hasn't really improved much since he came, is annually injured, and cost more to keep than JC
Alright, I'll bite. What is interesting about this?
Suggests that the account isn't one of the fake ITKs out there - it's possible that the account has some credibility, and thus shouldn't be discounted out of hand.
Ox has and remains a one trick pony for me.
As mentioned before... He is a liability in position and on defense. Campbell will never become a world beater but he works his ass off when possession is lost.
The second goal home against WHU I definitely remember, he had a bad giveaway in our own half. Away to Dinamo Zagreb he got burned on a goal and I recall him getting worked away to Leicester too.
If I win PowerBall, I'm gonna buy Pogba to play on my pub team.
Is there a stat we can pull up for work rate ??? Joel seems to help defensively more and make less key errors
I'm not a Joel hater but I don't know why people seem to think he's good defensively. I have a hard time seeing how anyone thinks he works harder than Ox when he doesn't have the ball
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