El indecido me molesta, si no me quiero, Transfer Thead 2016

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  1. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    how many people can really both hold up the ball and run in behind? i mean, in theory, those seem opposing tasks. at his best, i think van persie was able to link up before running behind but did he really hold up the ball?

    as footykid said, though . . . if we have all the ball control/playmaking players on the pitch, we don't necessarily need another. we COULD use a poacher whose main interest is going to get that goal. i think that was why walcott was so successful, as you mentioned previously, while cazorla was available.

    plus, wenger has been looking for that poacher for eons.
    i am not remotely advocating higuain over icardi, please don't get me wrong (i have seen a tiny bit of higuain and literally none of icardi so i'm ignorant as f' on THAT discussion) . . .

    but IF the more expensive fellow who has less shelf life (AND lower/no resale) was able to get us over the hump and get us the league and get us further into CL, wouldn't the difference in "cost" be paid for by the success both in actual (prize) money and intangible (higher value for both transfer prospects AND sponsorships)?
     
  2. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    but that would lower his cost! a perfect wenger buy!
     
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  3. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    i . . . can't agree more. on BOTH points.
     
  4. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    If nothing else, with him, we'll always be financially stable. There will never be a Glazer scare, Portsmouth downfall, or a Liverpool financial stagnation under him.
     
  5. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
  6. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Great post!

    Sadly this comes up every year and is easily debunked when you look at Chelsea's rather stagnant financials.

    Despite having won stuff they are in the same boat as Arsenal - i.e also rans.

    I would add the following additional points

    1. Commercial revenue is largely just a function of the TV audience. As Scudders builds the value of the rights globally, so the value of the primary sponsorships increase. Arsenal just rides the gravy train on that.

    2. There is only extra commercial value in being the Man Utd of your league - and now demonstrated by the key Adidas sponsorship. The same thing is shown in germany with Bayern. There is no opportunity for Dortmund to become Bayern 2 in their domestic league. It's not a market position.

    The exception to this is City who have a strategic position based around Abu Dhabi's global ambitions.

    So basically from a business point of view, Arsenal just surf the Scudamore wave.
     
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  7. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't like this Wanda .
    Icardi is Italian for Doug Christie ?
     
  8. MilesW

    MilesW Member+

    Aug 26, 2010
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not so much the player but rather the amount of money involved. It just makes the whole things seems less "fun" I guess.
     
  9. gunner0007

    gunner0007 Member+

    Jul 19, 2005
    Bahamas
    Did anyone watch the Wenger interview? Anything new?
     
  10. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

    Aug 27, 2006
    North Cuba
    has anyone said it lately? Fcuk this window! I feel better
     
  11. gunner0007

    gunner0007 Member+

    Jul 19, 2005
    Bahamas
  12. TxTechGooner

    TxTechGooner we're having fun here, no?

    Feb 24, 2003
    would anyone WANT Icardi or any of these other spares? he would be a depth signing, not a title winning type player sadly.
     
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  13. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    No title winning striker is going to move this window. Unless Lewa goes to Madrid.
     
  14. TxTechGooner

    TxTechGooner we're having fun here, no?

    Feb 24, 2003
    I'd make a run at Lukaku..
    we are always a few steps behind actually title contenders when it comes to transfers post Highbury.

    it's incredible how far we are behind Chelsea when it comes to the buy and stash game.
    Buy young talent, stash them at clubs all over Europe, bring back the ones that come good. They've certainly messed it up by selling top talent, but at least they bought them in the 1st place and made huge money on their sales.

    Who is supposed to play CB for us next season? we only have 1 guy who can be relied upon... maddening.
     
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  15. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I read that as we're with the top group. Yes, we're "with" the United and Real's in sponsorship but they're still beyond us and there is a tier below us.
     
  16. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Your post blew me away for it's greatness, so I linked to a fellow supporter who is not on BigSoccer. He pissed on your masterpiece because you used "shirt sales" as a metric—which he says is a debunked myth.

    I apologize. Our fellow fans are assholes.
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    No way does Bayern let Lewa go to Madrid

    Why would they?
     
  18. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only if lewandowski's agent forces the move for 26 mil eur in annual wages and real meets bayern' astronomical transfer fee

    Unlikely
     
  19. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Disagree. Think Lukaku's first touch makes him a liability for the way we play.

    Agreed as to all of the above.
     
  20. MisplacedSpainard

    Apr 5, 2007
    Silver Spring, MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    We are looking to be properly f'ed for years to come unless we get a new manager after Wenger with the strength to make the club run in a different direction. Just like time value of money. Your brand and image is something that must be managed and the club are painting quite the terrible image.
     
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  21. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That's harsh dude - the club's image hasn't changed. Changes will be necessary once Wenger retires, especially for the youth setup, and some division of responsibility will be necessary because too much is on Wenger now.

    But the club doesn't have a terrible image by any means. It's just irritation during the transfer window that's talking.
     
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  22. TxTechGooner

    TxTechGooner we're having fun here, no?

    Feb 24, 2003
    I think a trio of:

    Sanchez - Giroud - Aubameyang

    with

    Xhaka-Ozil-Ramsey (Cazorla/Wilshere)

    that at least puts you in the conversation. now who plays CB?
    another issue..
     
  23. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very good article addressing transfers myths. It also touched on shirt sales...

    http://thesetpieces.com/features/transfer-window-myth-busting/
     
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  24. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    It's not just Wenger.

    Kroenke and the Arsenal ownership the last decade have been perfectly fine with getting close but not good enough. It's a long con.
     
  25. MisplacedSpainard

    Apr 5, 2007
    Silver Spring, MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I agree but someone has to stop it.
     

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