Eduardo Lara de seguir insistiendo en su política de convocar jugadores grandes

En general esa es la realidad de nuestras selecciones, se han vuelto vitrinas de los empresarios allegados a la federacion. Como vamos terminaremos disputando la cola de la eliminatoria con Bolivia y Peru. Que tristeza porque hay mucho futbolista talentoso en Colombia, como para estar ahi, en cada mundial.

 

dejavuuuuu...

dapip...recordas cuando te dije, es cierto, que tenemos talento
pero que hacemos con un chiquitin bien calidoso, que vuele en colombia hasta los 20 años o menos, sale a nivel internacion y lo cogen 2 torres (como le dicen ahora) de centrales y lo sientan en cada movida....luego la inversion de XXXxxxxXX equipo se la pasa en al banca recuperando sus dolencias y no es precisamente un mejoral lo que se necesitaria!

Para que dar ventajas con enanos? ya se que vendran los ejemplos de diegho buenanotte y sus parecidos....y la respuesta sera la misma: son casos aislados y no COMUNES en el futbol de elite.

no recuerdo ahora, pero seria bueno tener la altura de buenanotte, de Zuniga y de cristian Mejia (Pk fijo en el ultimo U20).....
recordemos que Messi es mas alto que el conejito Saviola....por si mencionan esos nombres. Pero sera mejor concentrarnos en liga Colombiana....

 

yo no dudo del talento de los seleccionados por colombia!
y si el tamaño ayuda - pues mejor....

es como todo, en cada convocatoria se queda uno o dos por fuera del gusto de los hinchas comunes, pero cuando estas al nivel de seleccionador o DT - la cosa cambia. Yo quisiera que me dieras los enanos de brazil y su altura, pa desbaratar ese argunmento tan iluso

pa que dar ventajas!
como dicen los de la costa: pa k dar papaya!

 

Depende de muchas cosas efer, de que tan enano es el enano, de donde juegue y sobre todo de su talento. Messi es muy talentoso y juega en un costado entrando al area, lo que lo hace peligrosisimo y si le hacen falta, pues penal. Saviola mete unas superdiagonales en el area y tiene facilidad para anticipar a los defensas. Pero estoy de acuerdo contigo en que el tipo tiene que ser fuerte, porque a cierto nivel los defensas lo van a demoler.

No creo que sean tan aislados, pero la talla por si sola no es un elemento determinante, hay que mirar el conjunto del jugador, su velocidad, su picardia. Yo prefiero un delantero grande, que pueda chocar y ganar por arriba, pero si tienes uno no tan enano que gana en velocidad o tiene movimientos desconcertantes, pues hay que considerarlo....

Zuniga es normalito (1.72 - 5'7") no se Mejia cuanto mide. Buonanotte si es enano (1.57 -5'3"), Saviola mide como 1.68 y messi como 1.69 son enanos no tan enanos..

Buonanotte no es tan fuera de serie y ultimamente tiene la tendencia a irse hacia un costado a hacer "meleito" intrascendente.

Mi conclusion es que en el futbol actual, dominado por grandes atletas (fuertes, rapidos, altos), un jugador con menores capacidades fisicas tiene que compensar con creces en tecnica, creatividad y entendimiento del juego.

 

este es el futoro de braxil- busquemos el futuro de COLOMBIA

Aislan: After the sale of Breno by Sao Paulo to Bayern Munich, Aislan the young towering defender has been promoted into Sao Paulo’s first team to replace Breno at centre half. Aislan won the best defender award at this years Youth World Club Cup, which Sao Paulo won, beating Chelsea 1-0 in the final. AC Milan and Inter Milan, the two great rivals are said to be interested in the 19 year old. He is valued at around 2 million euros, but Sao Paulo would push for more money if bigger clubs wanted to buy. Sao Paulo would probabily want to hang on to him at least until the end of the Brazilian Championship.

Danilinho: an unknown quantity, he moved to Schalke when he was only 16 and spent two seasons on loan at Mirassol and América. Unfortunately Schalke decided to release him after the two loans. Santos immediately snapped him up, to bring him back to his native country. Danilinho only played 10 games throughout the 2006 Brazilian season, this resulted in him moving to 2nd division Athlético Mineiro where he has shone, scoring 6 goals in 28 games from the attacking midfield position. St Etienne are the latest team to be interested in the 20 year old. Who knows if he will shine in Europe or whether he will fade again. Superstar in the making or just an average player, take your guess. Media in and around Brazil have been very impressed with the playmaker.

Wagner Luiz Fogolari: The Brazilian Porto Alegre player is attracting interest from Benfica. He is a defender and is 18 years of age. He is also a towering player, being 191cm tall.

Coutinho: This player could turn out to be the next Pele, if he continues to show is incredible talent for the Brazil U15s and Vasco De Gama. He is only 15 years of age and he has already been strongly linked with Real Madrid, whose scouts (Miguel Angel Portugal and Julen Lopetegui) have been very impressed by his technical abilities. Coutinho is an attacking midfielder who scored 3 goals in 4 matches for Brazil’s U15s at this years South American U15 Championships. Reports suggest that he will sign for Real Madrid when he turns 16. Real are the favourites, but Barcelona, Valencia, Athletico Madrid and Villareal have all stated their interest in the teenager.

Victor Andrade: he is only 12 years old, yet he is being compared to Robinho. His name is Victor Andrade and he plays for Santos, the Brazilian club who seem to churn out the talent. No clubs have stated their interest yet but I don’t think it will be long before a team does.

Jean Carlos Chera: better than Victor Andrade, he is also 12 years old and plays for Santos U13s in Brazil. Manchester United and Real Madrid have been strongly linked with the prodigy who is an attacking midfield player and has been compared to Robinho. Chera’s dad, Celso in September this year told the Santos president, Marcelo Teixeira that he intended to take his son to Spain, after Real Madid had made a bumper offer for his son. The Chera’s were also unhappy with Santos U13s manager Alberto Vieira’s training methods, another reason why Celso wanted his son to move. In the end Teixeira, the U13s manager was sacked, this has persuaded Jean Carlos Chera to remain at Santos for at least the time being.

Neymar: Another player who has been compared to Robinho is Neymar da Silva Santos Júnior, “Neymar”. The 15 year old offensive player has just signed a new contract with domestic club Santos. The contract involves buying Neymar’s image rights until 2015, meaning anyone who wants to buy Neymar, has to pay 13 million. He was due to sign contracts with Real Madrid 2 years ago but because of board changes at Santos, contracts were left unsigned. Manchester United and Real Madrid are the favourites to sign him at the present time. If he fufills his potential he will be a top quality player in the future.

Rafael Forster: Maybe not a world class player in the making, but certainly a decent one. Forster made 4 appearances for Brazil at the U17 South American Championships for Brazil, but sadly was an unused substitute in all 4 of Brazil’s games at the Fifa U17 World Cup. He is a defender and plays for Internacional in his native country. There have been minor reports that PSV Eindhoven are interested in him.

Thiago Heleno: After making 6 starts for Brazil at this years South American U20 Championships, it was a suprise that Thiago Heleno was left out of the Brazil U20 squad to play at the Fifa U20 World Cup. Younger age levels have proved very succesful for Heleno, he is capped at U17 level, and starred at U18 level making 14 appearances and scoring an amazing 7 goals from his usual centre back position. He helped Brazil win the South American U17 Campionship in 2005 with his solid displays in defence. He was brought up through the Cruzeiro youth system and finally he broke into the first team last season. He scored made 15 appearances last season scoring 2 goals. He is very dangerous from set pieces. He made his first team debut against Juventude in the Campeonato Brasileiro during May 7th 2006. His first professional goal came on June 3rd 2006 against Fortaleza. This season he has currently made 10 appearances. Juventus have been linked with the impressive defender recently.

Felipe: Virtually unknown to the world is Brazilian U15 star Felipe. He had a great South American U15 Champonship, starting all 7 of Brazil’s games. He scored 3 goals. He is an attacking midfielder, but has been known to play as a striker. He is only 15 years old and currently plays for Internacional, Real Madrid have placed him at the top of their wanted list, maybe the move will come in the summer.

Wellington: This 15 year old midfielder is rather special. He started all 7 of Brazil’s games at the South American U15 Championships this year, scoring 2 goals. He currently plays for Fluminense in Brazil. Real Madrid scouts were seen watching him at the U15 Championship. According to Real Madrid President, Ramon Calderon he is at the top of their wish list.

Luis Guilherme: Luis Guilherme started all 7 of Brazil’s South American U15 Championship games in the summer, keeping 3 clean sheets out of a possible 7. Guilherme currently plays for Botafogo in Brazil and is 15 years of age. Arsenal are very keen on the young goalkeeper, and are keen to take him to the Emirates in the summer of 2008. However this is unlikely because Brazilian players are not allowed to leave before they are 18.

Thiago: This Brazilian has been in Europe for all of his very short career. The club that possesses him is Barcelona. Thiago is only 16 years of age, but already he has been promoted from Barcelona’s youth team into their B team. They decided to move him from the youth setup last season, due to his commanding performances in the centre of midfield, his favourite position. He has a tendancy to drift outwards onto his right foot, that dominates the midfield. We should be seeing a lot more from the youngster in the coming seasons.

Gerson; This player will surely play in Europe one day, he is an outstanding talent. Gerson, is a similar player to twins, Rafael and Fabio who play in the Brazilian U17 team. Gerson is a goal scoring full back, who is only 15 years of age. He was intrumental in Brazil’s South American U15 Championship victory. He started all 7 of Brazil’s games, scoring 3 goals, making him the equal 2nd top goal scorer at the tournament. He was captain of the Brazil side throughout the competition. His goals came against, Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina. He was included in the best starting line up at the end of the tournament. He plays his domestic football for Gremio.

Elivelton: I really want this player to move domestic youth teams, as Corinthians, his current youth team club have been relegated in Brazil. Elivelton is a quality, young centre midfield player. At the South American U15Championship, he started all 7 of Brazil’s games. He organised Brazil’s midfield, helping them win the tournament. At the end of the tournament, Elivelton was named as one of the best two centre midfield players. Earning himself a place in the dream 11. He is currently 15 years old. Hopefully a top division Brazilian club will notice that this player has a bright future ahead of him.

Caio; This player has no international experience but I think he is a decent player. Caio, full name, Caio César Alves dos Santos is a Brazilian attacking midfielder, who is 21 years of age and 6ft 1in tall. Caio has just secured a move to German side Eintracht Frankfurt from native club Gremio Barueri. His contract will run from the 14th January 2008 to 14th June 2012. He began his career with Gremio Barueri’s youth side. He gradually made his way up to the senior side during the 2002-2003 season in Brazil. He spent two years on loan at Guarani next, making just 5 appearances. Even in the 2006 season he made no appearances for Gremio Barueri, his time at the club was coming near to an end. For the latter part of the 2007 season Caio went on loan to Internacional, making 8 appearances. For me his supurb loan spell at Palmeiras clinched his move to European football. For the first part of this season, Caio went on loan to Palmeiras, immediately they made him a first choice playmaker. Caio was brilliant, making 27 appearances, scoring 9 goals before his move to Germany. Providing he gets a chance to play for Eintracht Frankfurt regulary, comparisons to Diego (Werder Bremen) will be made.

Dentinho; Dentinho is a hot prospect for the future. He is a striker who currently plays for Corinthians in Brazil, his native country. However, according to Brazilian media and press reports, Arsenal are going to snap the 18 year old up for £3.5 million very soon. For Corinthians he has made 5 appearances, scoring 4 goals, a brilliant goal scoring average. His debut came against Palmeiras, and he scored his first goal against Fluminense. If he moves to Arsenal, he can only get better, with the help of their youth system.

Diogo Gomes Pereira; This player has been in blistering form for Portuguesa, in the Brazilian 2nd division (Serie . He has scored 18 goals in 26 games, he even missed a month of the season, due to injury. Diogo is from Brazil, and is yet to play for the national team at any level. He is 18 years of age. A football website, called Futebol Interior asked 50 Brazilian football journalists about who they thought would make their ‘dream’ starting 11. Diogo was in 37 of the journalist’s ‘dream teams’. I don’t think it will be long until Diogo is snapped up by a bigger Brazilian team.

Edson; Brazilian Figueirense centre back Edson has been impressive for the Brazilian club lately, this has caused FC Porto to state their interest in the 20 year old defender. He joined Figueirense in 2005 from his youth club, Caxias. Since being at Figueirense his talent has just grown in calibre. Since moving to Figueirense he has made 28 appearances, but is yet to register a goal. His current contract with the club, runs from 6th June 2006 to the 31st December 2009. He was included in the Brazil squad for last summer’s Fifa U20 World Cup, where Brazil reached the last 16. He started 2 of Brazil’s 4 games in the competition, picking up 2 yellow cards, the two games that he didn’t start, he remained as an unused substitute. If Porto follow up their interest in the Brazilian youngster, Europe will be watching.

Alex Teixeira; This player is a star in the making. Alex Teixeira or ‘Alex’, as he is more commonly known, played supurbly for the Brazil U17s at both the Fifa U17 World Cup and the South American U17 Championship. He is a winger, who has shown his goal scoring capabilities with 2 goals at the Fifa U17 World Cup and another 2 at the South American U17 Championship. At the Fifa tournament he started all 4 of Brazil’s games, scoring against New Zealand and Korea DPR. Meanwhile, at the South American U17 Championship he scored against Bolivia and Ecuador. He is now 18 years of age, because his birthday was on 6th January this year. Due to his outstanding performances on the wing for Brazil, Chelsea in this month’s transfer window made a bid of £2.5 million to Vaso Da Gama, his domestic club. This offer was rejected. Surely he will move from Vasco Da Gama and into European club football sometime soon.

Ji Parana; This player is a huge talent for the future, he will surely play in Europe one day. Junior Felicio Marques, or ‘Ji Parana’ as he is known, currently plays for Internacional in his native country, Brazil. Ji Parana did not start his career at Internacional, but at once top Brazilian team Corinthians. He played for the Corinthians youth team during 2003-2004 season, but the following season (2005-2006), he was moved up to the first team. He only made 4 appearances, but he was still only 19. For the 2006-2007 season he decided to move to Internacional on a 5 year deal. His current contract runs from the 23rd October 2006 (the day he signed for the club) until 22nd October 2011. During last season Ji Parana made 8 appearances for the club. He made his debut in the Campeonato Gaucho, during early 2007. Hopefully the new Brazilian season, which starts in the Spring/Summer will bring more chances for him to prove he deserves a spot in the Internacional starting 11. On the international front, Ji Parana is a key player in midfield for the Brazilian U20 team. He started all 4 of Brazil’s games at the Fifa U20 World Cup, where he was captain of the side. Even though he is only 20, Ji Parana has two honours to his name: Campeonato Brasileiro Serie A in 2005 with Corinthians and the Copa Sao Paulo de Juniors in 2005 also with Corinthians.

Giuliano: This player is tipped to be one of the brightest talents in Brazilian football in a few years. Giuliano Victor de Paula, or Giuliano as he is usually known had a dismal South American U17 Championship with Brazil, he started only 1 out of 9 games for Brazil, the start was against Ecuador. Against Peru, Bolivia, Chile and Argentina he appeared as a substitute. He accumiliated 0 goals at the tournament. However, at the more important tournament, the Fifa U17 World Cup he was sensational for Brazil, starting all 4 of Brazil’s games, against New Zealand, Korea DPR, England and Ghana, scoring 2 goals. Those goals came against New Zealand and Korea DPR. Giuliano also gained 1 assist. Giuliano’s favourite position is the attacking midfield role, where he can use his precise passing to split opponents open. He can also play as a striker. He was born in Curitiba, Brazil, is currently 17 years of age and 1.79m in height. His domestic club , Parana have seen the potential Giuliano has, and have tied him down to his first professional contract already, until 1st February 2010. Watch this player in the future, he is a rare talent.

Kayke: This player shone at last years Champions Youth Cup in Malaysia, scoring 5 goals for Flamengo, of Brazil. Kayke scored 2 goals against Arsenal, and one goal against Ajax, Manchester United and AC Milan. His goal tally made him the 2nd top scorer at the tournament. To my suprise Kayke has not been called up to the Brazil U17 or U20 sides in his career yet. However, he has time on his side, as he is only 19 years of age. For his domestic club, Flamengo he has appeared 3 times for the first team, he is yet to score. Kayke’s full name is Kayke Moreno de Andrade Rodrigues, he was born on 1st April 1988 in Brasilia, Distrito Federal, Brazil. If he scores regulary for Flamengo in a few seasons time, Europe will be beckoning.

Fagner :Fagner Conserva Lemos, or simply Fagner as he is well known participated for Brazil at last years South American U20 Championship, despite being only 18 years of age. At the tournament he started 3 of Brazil’s 9 games at full back. These starts came against Uruguay, Paraguay and Colombia. He was not first choice at full back to start with, but when he was given his chance with 3 games of the tournament to go, he took it very well indeed. He played well aginst Uruguay, this cemented his place in the starting 11. Altogether Fagner has 6 caps for Brazil at U20 level. Fagner is a slight figure, being only 1.68m tall, this gives him a great disadvantage in the air, but a great advantage on the floor. He was born in Sao Paulo, Brazil on June 11th 1989. Holland is where Fagner plays his domestic club football, with top club, PSV Eindhoven.

Walter: One of the 4 top scorers in venezuela 2009, u20 championships.

 

pues si comparamos lo hecho por el chikitin mejia y el gandulon de nazarith es mas beneficioso tener un enano calidoso que un grandulon malo. apesar de que mejia no hizo gol y nazarith si me quedo con mejia ya que es garantia de penal por partido gracias a su gambeta. emcambio nazarith ni por arriba ni por abajo son jugadores altos y fuertes pero no son garantia de gol ya que futbolisticamente dejan mucho que desear.

 

esque haber partiendo desde el punto de vista que todo en exeso es malo tiene que haber como una balansa en el equipo, por lo general los altos y rapidos deben ser los defensas y hasta los contenciones, pero ya incluso el contencion debe saber dominar bien la pelota y hacer buenos pases.
El medio campo de creacion ni se diga y los delanteros siempre es bueno mesclar uno rapido y fuerte con uno escuridiso, con mucho talento y picardia, Estos elementos mas la inteligencia de saber entenderse en el campo hacen un buen equipo; no poner 11 manes altisimos pensando que van a ganar todas las pelotas en el aire; porque esa es otra, si yo tengo 2 laterales que pegen tremendos centros pues alli si pongo los manes mas altos del mundo porque todo equipo sabe que centro es gol.
Pero en colombia quien pega centros?

Es mas facil y practico hacer creser a un chiquito talentoso (asi como hicieron con messi) que cojer a un tronco alto(de 20 años) y ensenarle a hacer pases dominar la pelota etc etc

 

cristian mejia- del tolima mide 1.67cms (esperemos que desarrolle mas su corpulencia y talento)
para comparar con saviola del Madrid: 1.68cms
carlitos Tevez: 1.69cms
Lionel Messi y pablo Aimar: 1.70 cms

 

A mi el ultimo proceso de Lara en las juveniles no me venia gustando y este man trajo a los mismos que venian en ese proceso que venia de 2 fracazos consecutivos.
Ahora ahi otra ves que empezar de 0 con un nuevo proceso juvenil porque de este equipo no se salva es nadie

 

les queda el sub17 de chile este año de kagarla alli, mas un par de malos resultados de los mayores, se van los dos!!!

ya hay presiones en el seno de la federacion!

darwin quintero: cuanto mide?

 

Yo no veo la presiòn hacia Lara en la federaciòn..
Por parte de quien lo han defendido de manera continua y le regalaron la sele cuando venia de dos años donde no habia cumplido ningun objetivo...
Donde lo leyo Efe??

 

creo que aca: https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=943077

 

darwin mide 1.66 o 1.65... el hecho es q es un guiñapo... pero juega como un berraco

 

uno de los delanteros y goleadores mas exitosos en la historia del futbol Colombiano, Anthony "el pipa" o "el pitufo" de Avila mide 1.57m

el es el sexto goleador en la historia de la Libertadores..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_de_Ávila

 

yo jugue contra darwin cuando tenia 14 años (es 1 año mayor q yo) y no le vi una al negro... en esa epoca el man jugaba como volante por la derecha no como delantero y yo era una viga para mi edad (media 1.78) y jugaba como central. fue en un torneo departamental q se realizo en el 2001, y aunque darwin no hizo gol y era el jugador mas pequeño de todo el equipo era imparable... eso si... se la pasaba en el suelo... y creo q ni siquiera estaba en las inferiores del tolima.

 

News: Ni paticorticos ni fornidos... talentosos

Le pregunté a una dama si los prefería grandes, fuertes y lentos. O chiquitos, talentosos, rápidos y alegres. Ella se sonrojó y solo atinó a decir, pues depende.... Cuando le dije que me refería a los futbolistas soltó una carcajada y se declaró ignorante del tema.

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este se volvio a perder del tema!!!

estamos hablando del futbol moderno vs centrales y torres de hoy en dia
avila brillo hace 19 o 15 años

 

No tanto efer, aun asi los ultimos 20 años tienen validez en el debate. En WC1998, el Boliglio lo alineo contra Inglaterra, que tenia defensas de ese porte.... Quien fallo en ese partido, el Pitufo o el tecnico?

Hay demasiadas variables que considerar, pero la estatura no es la unica dimension a evaluar de un jugador, tienen que mirar el paquete completo y hay jugadores que a pesar de no tener la estatura para cierta posicion, compensan con creces con su habilidad y velocidad. Si no fuera asi, el futbol se pareceria a la NBA y solo se jugaria por arriba...

 

es de conocida evidencia tu animosidad contra el bolillo y su brillante carrera, entonces esa respuesta es tuya.

por otro lado si responde LARA/Silva 2009, el enano no seria de la partida!
seria que en esa epoca solo teniamos brillando al de 1.57cm? te has preguntado eso?