Ecuatorianos en el exterior, Part IV

Discussion in 'Ecuador - Players Abroad' started by cristian1mv, Jan 9, 2010.

  1. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    These MLS moves could be interesting for our younger guys looking for some international experience. No disrespect to the MLS, but the overall quality of the league is still lacking, but salary + perks of living stateside do make a compelling case for clubs to consider those transfers. A few good seasons for a 19 or 20 year old could get the eyes of some Euro clubs and definitely the MX clubs.

    The US sports media market is huge, so guys coming stateside absolutely should be cognizant of the watchful eye of the press and pundits. This is generally one of my biggest concerns for our guys going abroad. Media management is a huge issue that clubs need to train players on, and honestly, it's never done well.

    Good luck to Vallencilla! Cincy is a pretty cool town even if it isn't a huge city. The view to Kentucky's rolling hills and forests are pretty amazing.
     
  2. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Say what you want about MLS but every South American country is sending promising young players to MLS. Some of our player are becoming too pricey for Europe it easier for them to scout African and Asian Players. It gonna be harder and harder for some of these guys to make it to Europe but if MLS wants to pay who are we to complain. It been a good move for most of our players so far. Alvarado is really killing it in the pre season and there is a noticeable improvement in his game I really cant wait for the season to start and watch him play.


    Im a little upset Joao Rojas(Emelec) didnt move to NYCFC that would have been a great move for him.
     
  3. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Any player that can prove their worth to a club willing to pay/acknowledge that value will make a deal in Europe. The biggest overall budgets in the world are presently in the top 5 leagues of Europe. The biggest issue with Ecuadorians is validation and track record....if you look back at historical perspective, Ecuadorians are still generally untested (except for AV25) to show a "safe investment" versus, for example, Brazilians, Argentinians or maybe Uruguayans. Our pedigree is still requiring some grooming. It's part branding and part track record when it comes to these transfers. Also, lots of nonsense starts happening with bogus agents and lots of people lining up and ruining negotiations (like Moises Caicedo + Manchester United) that has hampered a lot of negotiations in Ecuador.

    Take a look at clubs in Europe - for example Leicester, MU, or maybe ATMadrid, who throws down 30-40M on a player but might not be willing to pay 5M for someone like Moises Caicedo...why is that?

    The MLS is still a work in progress and watching their games is sometimes insufferable, but the product is improving as time passes. Young kids will leave S. America if they can't get looks in Europe and go to the MLS because it's a reasonable step forward financially despite the prospects of making less money in the US (they don't fall into the Designated Player slot) so their baseline salaries are probably 300-600k per year. Not bad for a young kid, but probably 30% less than what they'd get in Europe. Remember- the salary cap is a huge issue that the MLS has to grapple with + negotiation structures (the league still approves transfers which is ridiculous.)
     
  4. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito

    It not even track record anymore the interest from Euro teams to sign Ecuadorian players is there. Let look at Cifuentes. He got a number of teams looking at him and rumors going for him. Im pretty sure him and Sergio Quinteros, Diego Placios went threw what happened with Moises Caicedo. All these shady negotiations drove the Euro teams away and to their bad luck MLS came threw and was willing to put the most money. Moises almost went to MLS but he shut them down.



    Look at Argentina, Uruguay and Colombia, Chile. They are sending quite a few young promising talents to MLS. It shocking cause the Argentinean league isnt sending players straight to europe like they used too. Brazil will start sending players there too. Brenner Souza da Silva move to MLS was a huge surprise and I know more and more of these young Brazilian players will start moving there too.



    Euro teams are seeing Africa and Asia as much easier places to scout and grab talent. It much cheaper, probably less media attention which ruins our negotiations, and probably easier to get visas and players to adapt to Europe.




    Im telling you it gonna get alot harder for South American Talent to go to Europe if this continues. The media and players reps are what making it harder for us.
     
  5. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Brazil and Argentina are outliers just because of volume of players....

    Regarding the MLS, the actual negotiation and contracting process is a nightmare for any agent/player and club to engage in. The league negotiates and requires approval. Plus, salary caps and DP designations make the issue less attractive for the most exciting and promising talent.

    As a whole, the MLS league is just not as competitive. Business-wise, it's a mess. Look at what happened with that Argentinian kid who signed with Inter Miami and then got sent to the development squad because of DP stipulations. It's crazy....21 year old kid going to some sister team on a contractual technicality.

    MX is a way more competitive league and friendlier to negotiation and transfer procedures b/c there's club autonomy to dictate payment and contract terms.

    Clubs need to professionalize across Ecuador and the agent relationship system needs to clean up in order to get a smooth process for negotiation. Ultimately, Moises losing out on a bigger club is also a major loss to IDV. Big teams command (typically) higher transfer rates, which is a loss of windfall funds to IDV in this case.
     
  6. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
    Staff Member

    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    I know this didn't end up happening but just wanted to invade this thread saying how different he is compared to the rest of the league. A key piece for Cristal due to his superior physique. One of the best players in the league.

    He had a bit of a slow start this year though but I have no doubt he'll be back on form soon.
     
  7. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Maybe the same happens in leagues around the world but I feel like in Ecuador too many get involved. Agents have connections to specific leagues. One may work with Liga MX clubs, another may have connections with MLS or European clubs. It's no wonder it can get confusing.
     
  8. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I haven't watched him this season so I don't know what's going with him. I've been meaning to watch him play Libertadores but I haven't had a chance. You have to wonder if Emanuel Herrera no longer being part of the team has something to do with his drop in form.
     
  9. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
    Staff Member

    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Nah, it's not so much his numbers, it's more his consistency. He isn't always running at goal and missing more chances than usual, but that doesn't change his ability. This past weekend he looked very good for the first time this year, and I reckon once he gets going he'll improve upon 2020.

    Last year he had a bit of a slow start as well I should note.
     
  10. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    This is why I want him called to the NT. It will def elevate his game and put him on the radar for bigger teams.
     
  11. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Hopefully his form gets better. If he had a good start to the season and performed well in Libertadores he had a chance of getting called up to the NT. He's on the outside looking in right now though. The left winger role is wide open. I guess he still has a chance but right now there's players ahead of him.
     
  12. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    If he got called up to the NT and received minutes I have no doubt he would have been sold to a foreign league by now.
     

Share This Page