Ecuatorianos en el exterior -part III

I hope you are joking..

 

Rivalries? do you actually think Argentina and Brazil are a better option and opportunity for ecua footballers? Kids down there are trying to get out and they don't f.vck around. Bolanos is not good eneough for europe. and when you start exporting Footballers, its quality and not quantity. as of right now, Kaviedes, Delgado, Chala, Castillo and to a certain extent ULDC or as the villa fans called him "Useless del la cruz" have all failed in the Prem league and only Valencia has delivered. Would you be surprised if someone called it a FLUKE?

Can someone say bullsh1t?? How many Ecuadorians have left Ecuador in the last decade? 3-4 million? Ecuas have immigrated to all parts of the world looking for a better life and most of the time working minimum wage, living in f.vcking box and you are trying to tell me that Ecua footballers with all the money they are getting paid and pampered with apartments and every possible assistance by clubs to make them feel comfortable, yet they can't make it? its a smack to the face to the common people who making it happen every day struggling for the simple things in life. Look at that jackass Zura, Could not make it australia playing in a league that I think is below than the Ecua league. getting paid very good money. If he can't make it in Australia, where the f.vck else is he going to make it? Cultural adaptation is myth and HUMAN BEING have been doing since we were living in CAVES..

 

Well, look, let's be honest if we are going to debate the legitimacy of cultural shock or "cultural adaptation" there should be little debate. Everyone experiencing a different culture whether the millions of Ecuadorian immigrants or an american tourist is Peru will face challenges in adapting or feeling comfortable in a foreign culture. However, I feel the real debate is the problem Ecua footballers have had when playing in a foreign league. Being a European living in Ecuador I too have problems enjoying the culture and adapting to the working environment, nevertheless footballers face incredible odds. For example, Castillo at Everton may not be a true midfielder in the eyes of Moyes but yet his playing style was a good fit at Red Star. Zura may have failed in a weak league but if a club in Spain offered a location where he could be with his family and speak his own language then we could see a different player. Another problem facing the Ecua footballers is their age. Caicedo may still be adapting to the speed of the Premier League but luckily for him he left Ecuador was he was a wee lad. I still think the future of Ecua footballers abroad is looking great as recent success with La Liga and youngsters (U18) could start playing in Europe and adapt at a young age. ( which I don't believe has happened much?)

 

It's not just Ecuadorians. Amr Zaki had a bad experience in Russia but is shining in Wigan.

The striker joined Lokomotiv Moscow in 2006 but failed to settle in the Russian capital. And Wigan were determined to avoid a repeat of Zaki's Moscow nightmare.

The Egyptian said: "I'm not very proud of the experience at Lokomotiv. I only stayed for three months and did not play a game because I suffered from homesickness and the terrible climate.

"But it is very different at Wigan. I knew what was waiting for me and I am getting all the support I need.

"The club are doing their best to make me feel comfortable and even helped bring my family to England to make me feel at home. "I cannot even begin to describe how grateful I am to the Wigan fans, who have been just fantastic."

http://www.zimbio.com/Watch+Live+Fo...cles/9274/Amr+Zaki+Loving+Life+Wigan+Athletic

 

I truly believe the statements above. The reality is that the talent at this level is separated by decimal points. I believe its more about how the individual responds mentally and once again being in right place right time. Confidence is built from there.

Personally UDLC is one of my favorite players and people. Although you cant say he had a tremendous showing in the EPL. He represented us Ecuadorians well and has played abroad for almost 10 years. Not a bad deal.

 

Futbol is black and white!! Either you suceed or you fail.. and believe me, Club Owners see it as black or white. No one spends money for sh1ts and giggles or because they have a good feeling about a player. And this being at the right place and time logic is not working out for ecuas in the prem league because as of right now. 4 out of 5 players have been at the wrong place at the wrong time. Delgado went to the prem league at the age of 26, ULDC was 27, Kaviedes 27 and Segundo castillo is 26.. What PRIME are you talking about?? Historically that is the prime age for ecua footballers..

Southampton is no way near a top flight club!! In Aston Villa, ULDC had all the chances a footballer could hope for and in Villa, if you don't perform, you don't last long just like any other big club in the world. Heskey was already a star and two honduran footballers had an immediate impact at Wigan. I doubt Palacios and Figueroa want to go back to Honduras which is 10x more poorer than Ecuador. Castillo has this year to impress. i don't think Everton will buy him at the end of the season. Would You?

There is alot more competition in washing dishes and cleaning houses. anyone can to that job. that's why they are supposed to be PROFESSIONALS.

Zaki is a star at Wigan, Do you actually think he will replace any forward in the top 5 clubs in england? regardless, some players have 5-7 chances and Some players have one shot at success. Hey since zaki failed in russia and Since Christian Noboa is a ZAR in russia, Noboa could blow the EPL AWay!!!

 

Dude, do some research. Southampton was in top flight for 27 years, and were only relegated until after Delgado left.

UDLC did perform. That's why he made 99 apps for Villa in 4 years. How can you say he didn't last? If anything, he layed down the foundation for Ecuadorian players to succeed in England. He acclimatized well and played decently. Just because he faltered at the end doesn't mean you can call his entire stay there a failure.

I don't think you understand what Zaki's experience was about. Let me put it another way: settling down in a new place and succeeding in a new club requires hard work and determination not only from the player but from the club as well. If a club isn't accomodating then they can't expect the best from a player.

 

Good point. The big problem with castillo is he was acquired on loan on the sole purpose of increasing evertons' depth.

 

I don't think you understand what Zaki's experience was about. Let me put it another way: settling down in a new place and succeeding in a new club requires hard work and determination not only from the player but from the club as well. If a club isn't accomodating then they can't expect the best from a player.[/QUOTE]

Exactly correct! Not only does it take a dynamic player to succeed in foreign leagues but also the club needs to accommodate. Also, this is a slightly different argument but relevant. Why do you think there is recent (last 10yrs.) success in Ecua football? For instance, contrasting with Colombia, a country with more people than Argentina, I am surprised with Ecuador's success in comparison. Obviously, there are more variable than just population, nevertheless, I think when you compare Ecuador to Colombia, the players have piggy backed on UDLC's success and developed an interest in Ecua football for world clubs. Of course Colombia has had enormous success globally, but recently I think Ecua players have something to hang their hat on being the little neighbor to the south.

 

Are you saying that clubs spend millions and than can not accomodate a Player? that makes no sense at all. that's like buying a brand new car and not putting oil and keeping maintenace on it. You must be really ignorant not to know the current state of Russia or any country for that matter. and who gives a sh1t about Zaki?

one reason. two straight World Cup appearances. or do you think ULDC was better than Luis capurro?

There are more people in Guayaquil than Uruguay. Population has nothing to do with it.

little neighbor to the south? with this attitude no wonder footballers are failing..

 

Olimpia is interested in Ebelio Ordonez, I heard alot of Ecuas complain about him. Is he that bad?

 

yes.

 

Segundo Castillo played 76 minutes for Everton againsts Liverpool in the 1-1 draw for the FA Cup. Anyone know how he did?

 

not good. I think he might be done.. from the BBC

"The stretched nature of Everton's squad was demonstrated when 17-year-old Jack Rodwell then came on as replacement for the tiring Segundo Castillo."

 

Yeah, the Everton posters on their forum said he was incredibly poor - worst player on the field.

 

That sucks. He has been real solid always but lately...
Injuries, lack of playing time...
Maybe a change of team of even leage could give him more playing time so he can get back to his best form?
Hopefully...

 

So Carlos Tenorio hits the age of 30 this May. Anyone else in agreement that this should therefore be the year that he moves on? His last chance to play at a top standard of football, where he belongs, is not too far away, and this time he must take it. Over the past few years the Ecuadorian striker has seen clubs such as Siena, Lille, Birmingham, Bolton, Portsmouth, Sunderland, West Ham, and Wigan, all approach him, this only for his Qatar based club Al Sadd to turn them all down, this since they love him so much. Of such clubs that showed interest, I could see Tenorio fitting in perfectly at a Lille or a Wigan, and I only hope that such interest still remains. I could easily see a couple of years at the top flight for Tenorio being very possible, this wherever it be in the EPL, La Liga, Serie A, or playing in the Copa Libertadores. He must move out of Al Sadd first though, and I suggest that this departure for Mr Tenorio occurs for Summer 2009 (UK Summer).
Anyone care to add their thoughts on this matter?

 

After so much disillusionment, I fear that he's destined to rot in the Qatari League.