Ecuador NT (Post-World Cup)

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  1. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Pacho having a strong game defensively.
     
  2. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
  3. \^the king^/

    \^the king^/ Member

    Jul 4, 2007
    wherevr da action @
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Pacho wins man of the match and PSG qualify to the final

    Arsenal v PSG in a couple of weeks

    another big final with two Ecuadorian players.

    champions, World Cup clubs, libertadores (and all the recopas that come with it)

    Whom would you prefer win it from the ecua dawgs?
     
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  4. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    PSG. I’m a big fan of Enrique’s work.
     
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  5. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
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    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I'll have to lean this way, too. I'm sure the oddsmakers are also highly favoring PSG.

    It makes sense based on performance + strength of opponent. Granted, this game will come down to Arsenal's "haramball" and hardnosed defending vs. a high octane offense that can make magic on a moment's notice.

    I think the sting of losing the CWC final to Chelsea will have the Parisians take note of how tricky a final can be and how a "lesser" squad (on paper) can play spoiler by clogging the passing lanes and totally exploiting open space.

    It should be an interesting match. Can't wait. One thing is certain, though, and it'll be that we see an Ecuadawg getting to lift the CL trophy (a second for Pacho or a first for Hincapie).
     
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  6. cabezamagica

    cabezamagica Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    NYC
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I’m with PSG they got the better team,a well oiled machine with plenty of attack.
     
  7. \^the king^/

    \^the king^/ Member

    Jul 4, 2007
    wherevr da action @
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    #4807 \^the king^/, May 6, 2026
    Last edited: May 6, 2026
    Wow surprised by some of the responses here. But I can see why, PSG is just unreal. It’s a shame Kvara isn’t going to play the WC


    as long as both of these guys start or play some injury free ball until World Cup I am happy.

    But if it have to choose:
    I have a soft spot for Piero, if he gets the nod to start I’ll probably lean towards Arsenal. Something about how badly he was criticized for not being calafiori is still rubbing me the wrong way. I think he’s developing a certain personality around him, and will
    Be fun to see what his reaction is to winning the big one. Multiple players with the champions league accolade wouldn’t be bad in my book either.
     
  8. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    PSG have been Europe’s best team the last two years. They exemplify how football should be played. At least in my opinion. They don’t sit back and park the bus. When they step on the pitch they actually want to play football. Their attack is hard to stop. They’re deadly on the wings. They can play through the middle. Their counter attacks are devastating. They can wreak havoc through set pieces.

    They’re going to play their second Champions League final two years after Mpabbe left. That’s not supposed to happen after you lose one of the best players in the world. Enrique laid the foundation and has built the structure that’s guided PSG towards success. He’s gotten his players to buy in and sacrifice. That’s arguable the greatest challenge any coach can face.

    Khvicha Kvaratskhelia is an amazing player and fun to watch. Probably my favorite non Ecuadorian player at the moment. As the king said it’s a shame we won’t get to see him in the WC.

    Dream match up - Enrique’s PSG vs Pep’s Barcelona. That would be a great match.
     
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  9. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I would like Arsenal to win it for the same reason I wanted Pacho to win it last year: players who win a first UCL for a club get immortalized in that club. They'll forever remember Piero for being part of the first UCL win.

    However, if PSG win I wouldn't be mad since Pacho becomes part of a dynasty.
     
  10. \^the king^/

    \^the king^/ Member

    Jul 4, 2007
    wherevr da action @
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Anyone know if this is verifiable?

     
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  11. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I’d say he’s a reliable source.
     
  12. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
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    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    HUGE!!!! Unfortunately Moi is playing some of the worst ball in his career during these past few weeks. Hopefully he turns it around ASAPPPPPPPP.
     
  13. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Moi in his current state is still better than whoever else Ecuador can throw out there - Franco, Alcivar, ect.
     
  14. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
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    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    True, but to make a run in the WC, we need guys firing on all cylinders and not distracted. I think he'll bounce back and can get into tourney mode soon. An FA Cup win would help a lot.
     
  15. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I’m not worried about Moi. He’s gone through rough stretches in the past - second half of the 21/22 season with Brighton, first half of the 23/24 season with Chelsea. He’s always bounced back and didn’t let whatever he was going through at club level effect his performance with the NT. If Moi is able to play then that increase the team’s chances of winning against Ivory Coast and also finishing in 1st place in the group.
     
  16. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
  17. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    We can't stop taking Ws this week lol best news and should motivate our players to fight for that 1st place.
     
  18. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
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    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Rumor mill churnings indicate Barça, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Manchester United are joining Juve on the hunt to get the Ordoñez signature.

    I hope he picks Barça, Manchester United, or Liverpool if he gets to make the final call. Otherwise, who is poised to be the highest bidder? I'd assume it's Chelsea, Barça, or Manchester United.
     
  19. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Barcelona only if he's assured a starting spot. If not he should pick Manchester or Chelsea. Despite Chelsea's horrible season, their team is young and talented enough to bounce back next year.
     
  20. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
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    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Chelsea's problem is a meddling front office that doesn't really work well in the context of how futbol clubs at this level should be managed. Chelsea is presently a dumpster fire, and it seems like their signings and current coaching squad are all stemming from this group called Kinetic Academy (foundation).

    I did some digging and asked Claude to break down the connection and concerns after seeing some growing rumblings on Reddit and other Chelsea supporter pages. Here's what's the crux of the issue per aggregated sources...

    "Kinetic Foundation (often called Kinetic Academy) is a London-based charity founded after the 2011 England riots by former Crystal Palace coach Harry Hudson and James Fotheringham. It combines football and education for young people, providing mandatory volunteer opportunities and pathways to American college scholarships.

    Several Kinetic coaches have made their way to Chelsea in a short span:
    • Calum McFarlane spent six years as academy manager at Kinetic Academy before his rise through grassroots football to the Premier League. He joined Chelsea's U21 staff, then became interim head coach twice: first after Enzo Maresca was fired in January 2026, and again more recently after Liam Rosenior's departure.
    • Harry Hudson is Kinetic's co-founder himself was appointed Chelsea U21s Head Coach following Rosenior's appointment in January 2026.
    • Dan Hogan is another Kinetic Academy alumnus, leading Chelsea's Under-16s.
    The spending is staggering. Chelsea have spent a record £1.867 billion on players since the BlueCo takeover, and now carry the highest amortization costs in world football at £212 million. Yet despite all of that, they have still managed to look unfinished.

    The coaching carousel is relentless. Since BlueCo arrived, Chelsea have gone through Thomas Tuchel, Graham Potter, Frank Lampard, Mauricio Pochettino, Enzo Maresca, and further uncertainty with every manager coming with a different explanation. Tuchel was the elite coach already in the building. Potter was the long-term development appointment. Lampard was the emergency reset. Pochettino was meant to help a young squad grow. Maresca was the tactical, system-led choice. And now you can add Liam Rosenior to that list, who lasted just a few months.

    The irony with Kinetic is real. After spending close to £2 billion, Chelsea find themselves repeatedly turning to a grassroots London charity coach as interim manager. Calum McFarlane is clearly talented, and his tactical work at Kinetic and beyond earned him genuine respect, but it does highlight how structurally chaotic things are at the top level.

    BlueCo's Chelsea have been built around future value, but supporters live in the present. They've been told to trust the process, but the process keeps changing. That's really the core tension: it's less a football project and more a financial model that happens to have a football team attached to it."
     
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  21. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Sounds like this group wants to copy the RedBull model in Germany but the difference is RedBull runs as a machine from the scouts to the director.

    Chelsea have the money but don't seem to have good scouts because they're constantly getting mediocre defenders or forwards.

    If the rumors of Xabi going there are true, they can turn it around but they have to let him build his defense.
     
  22. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Chelsea has the money but it's considered an investment to recoup on tournament play + performance via increased sponsorship funding. The RedBull model is intended to create sustainable clubs that all feed back into Leipzig, but Chelsea hasn't built that ecosystem because they haven't been buying clubs in other countries. Plus, RedBull sticks to very disciplined transfer strategies unlike Chelsea.

    Every year Chelsea doesn't qualify for the Champions league = almost $22M in lost revenue (immediately). Then there is the hit taken from not playing matches where prize money is set for victories. In the current format, which is almost $20M max assuming you win all 8 games. So that's slightly over $40M in lost (max) revenue for the 2026/27 season. Rebuilds are costly and never guaranteed, and thats a huge risk for sane expensing.

    The issue compounds a bit because sponsors will likely pay less if their brand is not visible at the continental level, which drags the balance sheet, too. Some kit sponsors have activation clauses tied to Champions League participation, and that will immediately drop whenever Chelsea doesn't make it to the big dance.

    Players who do not convert to reliable starting XI or bench players will also hurt the books. Market value depresses and recoverable funds via transfers might also hurt a team's balance sheet. These long term deals most of the squad signed are nice (on paper) to avoid getting hit with FFP penalties or sanctions, but you've got some guys who are playing on 7-9 year deals at lower annual salary deals, but they might never see the pitch, and that's a huge concern when you still go back into the market to backfill gaps. Remember, the transfer market was always intended to be a safety valve for revenue generation, but if you sell at a loss more than once, things start looking uglier.

    Chelsea's books are a mess. Some folks I know who work in the industry constantly tell me how risky that accounting practice is because they will not likely see positive cash flow for a VERY long time...if ever. What the BlueCo model seems to offer is increasing club valuation to sell for more than the purchase price of $2Bn a few years ago, and in that case, I guess their "play" is to offload the club for $4-5Bn in another 5-10 years. Once again, due to bloated wages, irregular revenue, and inconsistent sponsorship bonuses, they can theoretically break even or maybe even sell at a loss because the team didn't perform. That ultimately falls back on a front office team that keeps cycling coaches and spending with no strategic thought to the "bigger picture".

    If I was Caicedo, I would not have signed that contract extension. I'd be asking for a transfer. Same for Enzo and Palmer. If Chelsea wants to rebuild, they should let go of their assets and reinvest it back into a new squad to balance the books a bit. Xabi will have his hands full, and I sincerely hope he can turn it around because I am a Chelsea fan and I want to see Caicedo succeed for national pride and my own interest in the club, but my brain tells me to temper expectations. They let go of Tuchel, lol.
     
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  23. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    If it comes down to money I don’t think he ends up in Barcelona. If it comes down to money he ends up in Chelsea. I would like for him to end up in Liverpool.
     
  24. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Alonso is a great coach. He would need full control over player personnel. I’m not sure if he’d have that.
     
  25. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    The only positive is that the premier league generates so much money that even if they miss the UCL, they are still getting paid good money.

    Looking back now Caicedo should have gone to PSG. With him on the team, that team becomes unbeatable.

    From what I've been reading, Chelsea are willing to go high for Ordonez so I dont see Barcelona outbidding them. Barcelona just have to hope Ordonez convinces Brugges to let him go to Barcelona.
     
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