Ecuador NT (Post-World Cup)

Discussion in 'Ecuador - National Team' started by LDU4ever, Nov 29, 2022.

  1. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    It has to be said that
    It's amazing how quick our CBs have adapted to European futbol as well. IDV have done a hell of a job in making them well rounded players.
     
  2. GPisco

    GPisco Member

    Jul 22, 2014
    Toronto, On
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Consistency is key, this win vs Colombia is historic and amazing 11v11 i think we could’ve won more comfortably, but this all means nothing if we drop the ball in March. We struggle to get points in this last portion of qualifying. The stage is set for Ecuador to start showing they are a top team.

    I think Beccacece has found an XI that works. Plata, Minda, Vite, Ordóñez and Yeboah compliment the team a lot better. These are players that can create and score and we need this sorely. Glad that Kendry wasn’t forced into the XI we played a lot better. Curious to see how Preciado will fit in at RB and how the team dynamic is.

    U20WCQ are in January so it’s another opportunity to showcase talent. But it would be nice if we could go deep this U20WC and not waste a chance at being a top 3 team. No one remembers the guys who crashed out in the first round.
     
  3. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    #3703 The Machine, Nov 23, 2024
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    I’m looking forward to the U20 tournament. There’s some depth and intriguing names at certain positions:

    GK - Loor, Jhafets Christ
    CB - Bautista, Bagüi, Arcos, Collahuazo, Sangoquiza
    Midfield - Rodríguez, Reyes, Borja, Ochoa, Guagua
    Wingers - Govea, Gipson Preciado, Klinger, Bruno Caicedo, Ronald Perlaza

    Other positions don’t have depth:

    Striker - Obando
    FBs - Ruiz
     
  4. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    For FW we also Michael Bermudez and Jeremy Arevalo. Jeremy on his debut season 22/23 managed to score and assist a few times and played mostly as a ST after that he has been playing more on the wings but we should definitely focuse on playing him up front.
     
  5. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    For full backs I think we will be playing Ruiz and Luis Moreno. Luis Moreno is a CB but has played in every defensive position I can think of. Both left and right full back, wing back, CB and CDM. I'll assume it will be ruiz on left and Moreno on right other than that we have no more full backs.
     
  6. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Looking at the tabla de posiciones...I need to remind everyone, every time, that we had 3 points taken from the NT. Without arguing the legitimacy to that claim, it is pretty impressive that could have been the difference between in 2nd and 3rd place right now. That is a nice achievement.
     
  7. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I think those 3 points being taken actually lit a fire in this team and we needed that.
     
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  8. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    We would be 3 points behind Argentina.
     
  9. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I think Jesus Polo would be the RB. There’s no depth behind Ruiz and Polo tho. I remember Cucharita Caicedo being part of the U17 squad but I haven’t heard much about him this season.
     
  10. GPisco

    GPisco Member

    Jul 22, 2014
    Toronto, On
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Something interesting to consider is the importance of climbing up in the FIFA rankings. I dont think its possible to get into Pot 1 in the time remaining but being in POT 2 has its perks, doesn't hurt to have an easier group. There are are some "preferable opponents" to be drawn with in POT 1. These are what the POTs would look like assuming highest ranking teams qualify.

    POT 1: CAN,MEX,USA,ARG,FRA,SPA,ENG,BRA,BEL,POR,NED,ITL

    POT 2: COL,GER,CRO,MOR,URU,JPN, SUI, IRN,SEN,DEN,KOR,AUT

    POT 3: AUS,UKR,ECU,SWE,WAL,EGY,NGA,ALG,PER,PAN,CIV,VEN,

    POT 4: QAT,TUN,CAM,CRC,IRQ,UZB,RSA,CRC,JAM,NZL,MAL,HON

    POT 1 ideally drawing with any of the hosts is what we want, then id favor my chances with Belguim and Portugal while wanting to avoid France, Spain, England, Netherlands and Italy. In POT 2 we would avoid being drawn with teams who can be darkhorses and being put in a group of death. In POTs 3-4 contain opponents we "should" be able to beat.
     
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  11. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Jefferson Perez to Daniel Pintado. "El mejor momento de mi carrera no fue cuando gane una medalla olímpica fue cuando vi alguien más hacer lo."
     
  12. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
     
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  13. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador

    if he returns to Ecuador, IDV would be the best fit. He’d start alongside Ortiz. Zavala has been irregular.
     
  14. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
     
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  15. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Y'all saw that Pacho has been linked to Chelsea and Ordonez to Aston Villa?

    Would be great to have them in the premier league.
     
  16. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I would be surprised if Pacho makes a move in the winter transfer window. He just moved to PSG a few months ago.

    It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Ordóñez. I think he’s ready for a move to a more competitive league.
     
  17. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I expect Pacho to move in the summer. Would be great to have 2 of our best players on the same team.

    I hope Hincapie moves too. He's been balling but it's also raised his pricetag.
     
  18. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I wouldn’t be surprised if Pacho moves again in the summer. I also wouldn’t be surprised if he stays with PSG. I can see them offering a raise and also increasing his release clause.
     
  19. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I don't think it serves Pacho that much to move out of PSG- he's been stable, the team is playing in Europe, and they're competing for sliverware.

    Unless he makes a lateral move to an equally competitive squad in the PL or La Liga, he should stay put.

    He makes a good weekly salary that will likely have some bonuses attached to it. PSG would be crazy to let him go for even a 20-30% higher transfer fee...someone would have to be asking for at least $80M to pry him away, and with his long contract, an unreasonable buyout clause would and should be attached to his contract (as a rider) to ward off other teams.
     
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  20. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    A player I want to keep an on eye on next year is Daniel de la Cruz. He has potential.
     
  21. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    He's doing extremely well but if an offer comes he should leave.

    Look at Hincapie who's playing great but now can't get out because his price tag is too high.

    As for Ordonez I really think he should go to Aston Villa so he gets adapted to the premier league.
     
  22. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Hincapie, Pacho, and Ordóñez are all 23 years old or younger. Our back line is set for the foreseeable future assuming they can steer clear of serious injuries.
     
  23. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I don't think it's a pricetag issue- he stayed because he was in Xavi's plans for this season and what incentive is there for Leverkusen to sell him when they're going to make a run in Europe and are playing generally competitive ball while he's on a good-value contract for the club. These teardowns at clubs create signing nightmares...with money they are forced to buy equally high to get a "comparable" player or will have to go back to the developing world and start the process again.

    Let him develop for 1-2 more seasons and sell a more mature "product" - that will increase his pricetag, build his leadership chops, and make him better equipped to handle the higher levels of pressure that will come with going to a "bigger" club. While on his best days he is world class, on his worst days, he'll give up costly fouls and is prone to the occasional red card.

    He's playing for one of the best young coaches in Europe and he is in a top-4 league. He needs to be consistent. I trust Xavi to be a great steward for his development. Once Xavi bolts, the team will likely get somewhat dismantled.
     
  24. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Hincapie at Leverkusen is a great fit. He is gaining great experience in a top 4 league with a club riding on a high as current league champions in an undefeated season while playing the best of the world in the Champion's League without having to deal with the pressure of expectations from the media and pundits associated with playing at a major club with a major transfer fee hanging over his shoulder in front of a relentless fan base that usually comes with a Manchester Citeh, Real Madrid or even PSG.

    I have no doubt he can handle all that - but he doesn't have to right now. And that is a good thing.
     
  25. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I used to find free streams for games as recently as 2 weeks ago, but since then, seems like a lot of sources got shut down or just simply disappeared. Does this line up with reports about criminal organizations running piracy efforts?

    I had to pay the Fanatiz $15 fee to watch the LigaPro finals but quickly unsubscribed to not let the cost recur.

    Man, all of this decentralization of providers for distinct leagues makes it so difficult to keep up.
     

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