Here are some of the past contributions behind the spoiler buttons. I will add more in the next post: DRB300 (Move your mouse to reveal the content) DRB300 (open) DRB300 (close) El Ghazi gives us a clear insight into his line of thinking. These are his well articulated words, so he owns it. Netherlands is a calculated choice, Morocco is his pride. I would always keep supporting the NT if we drop out of the top 100 and not make the tournaments anymore. Sure I would come down hard on my NT, but it is in my heart. This joker basically says that Netherlands is a nice opportunity for his career, a good podium, but that his pride with Morocco. End of discussion. Narsingh over this clown every day of the week, even if he plays in wheel chair. What does he think? You can say these things as we are only Kuffar country and can get away with second rate treatment of it? He can f**** himself and he is not even a good player. Aissaidi is a much better dribbler than him. What kind of skill has El Ghazi to really get past people? He can look clumsy at times in the process. He is goal oriented. I might give him a bit of credit in that department, but he often enough does not score. Where was he today against Dnipro? Was he special? Not to me. The Dutch NT should be a prerogative for people that will defend it's colors with honor: If that is too much to ask, then don't bother. Next. Laurent75 (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Laurent75 (open) Laurent75 (close) What he said could be also said by Afellay or half of the black players Holland got. Nigel doesn't sing the national anthem for example. We all know that it's modern to be against western countries when you are an immigrant/son of immigrants. Or at least to be indifferent. Now you can also consider the problems of integration. He made it and became footballer, but he probably grew up with guys who are staying on the streets right now, would they like to see him being super proud of the dutch shirt and things like that ? It's street mentality. He doesn't really have the choice. Actually I've never really rated the theory saying that players would sweat much more when they feel represented and love their country. That's probably true in the amateur football, but once we are talking about high level and money, not anymore. El Ghazi would probably give the best he has if he is playing with the oranje shirt in a semi finale against Brazil. Simply because all the big clubs are watching and because his career in on the table. If he is playing with Morocco against Botswana, he would probably walk on the field like the super proud Amrabat and Labyad did. So yeah he prefers Morocco above the Netherlands but it doesnt mean that he wont give his best with the orange shirt. Abhirup (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Abhirup (open) Abhirup (close) I honestly can't fathom why El Ghazi is considered good enough for Oranje. He has decent technique,a hard shot and that's pretty much it!! I've never seen him dribbling past his direct opponent on the flank. He does the same thing over and over again with limited or no success. In fact he can't dribble at all. He might have been a decent option as a striker but then again he's not very good in tight spaces. Orange14 (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Orange14 (open) Orange14 (close) I'm sorry but you are all drawing conclusions without even knowing what goes on in the mind of a 19 year old kid. Do any of you know what his family origins are? How many relatives does he still have living in Morocco? How strong are his ties to that country? Football is a mercenary sport and always has been. Look what happens on the club level (and you can go back to the Madrid teams of the 1950s that were largely built on the talents of di Stefano and Puskas who in no way were trained in Spain). It exists today and has for some time at the NT level (I've lost count of the number of Germans who play/played for the US NT; and by rights Subotic should be playing for us as well rather than Serbia since his early development took place here). Look what van Basten tried to do back in 2006 in getting Kalu naturalized prior to the WC. I remember the outrage among NT supporters when the judge ruled that he could not gain citizen status. Witness the debates that took place on this forum when Douglas was still at FC Twente and people were calling for his inclusion in the NT. If you guys are really honest you either accept this or call for el Ghazi's immediate expulsion from the U-19 team. You cannot have it both ways. DRB300 (Move your mouse to reveal the content) DRB300 (open) DRB300 (close) This is the thing though. Netherlands is like the opposite of the United States. This whole street idea does not fly in the same way living in a welfare state. Sure, it is not anymore like in the past, but it is still pretty damn good compared to the rest of world. If he was born with some defects like authism, everything is lined up to take care of him. Does Morocco? No they would not. I am not even sure they have benefits lining up for people who can not pull through live on their own. If people are out of a job, they get help as well. Both money for their monthly expenses and help in looking for a job. Does Morocco? This is where it gets even more dishonest from where I am standing. What was the best Moroccan player ever produced on Moroccan soil the last decade or so? Where does this explosion of Moroccan talent come from? Not from their own soil, but from the football academia in country's like France, Netherlands and maybe Spain now a little bit as well. There is a clear causality between the two. It matters what kind of infrastructure is at your disposel. It matters if an organistion made a good schedule to setup a comeptition against players you have to give your all against to beat them (challanges make people grow). It matters if there is a decent ref at such games. It matters if there is transportation or not. It matters of there is are good educated coaches during the week to improve you. It matters if there are examples in society that make you believe that the top is reachable. It matters if there are pro clubs in the neighberhood to take things to another level if you display talent. The way football is setup in a country forms a player to what he becomes. Many clubs can barely make it in the Netherlands and heavily depend on volunteers who keep things running. Often enough these people are actually old and still carry on with their responsibility's in the club. These people have helped to keep the KNVB tree alive and strong. Where is the sense of gratitude to these people? Have they ever considered that? It is normal to be thankful with all that in place, or you must be a total ungrateful spoiled brat. The black players until recently never had a choice (we will find out about them soon enough, if Suriname accepts players not born on their soil as eligible to play for their NT). I do subscribe to your notion though, that a fair amount of them maybe played without feeling a special kind of pride. Not so much in this generation, however the generation before this one, was venomous at times. I am looking at Seedorf, Davids, Kluivert, Bogarde and maybe more. We can also see that on the field that this does not have to be a hinderance, as Davids was sensational at times in 1998. However this is where we differ. Over the whole of it, it does matter. How the hell did 2010 and 2014 do better than 1998? Also in 1996 a rapture in the group cohesion killed our attempt to win the Euro. I truly felt back then, that we could win it. Ajax just won the CL, group had automatism together and I thought we would make a really deep run. Group cohesion is a powerful factor in team sports, it is not that quantifiable, but it matters a lot. To get that, you need people who do not play the damaged guy by society persona all the time. There is a lot of imitation going on in this thing. A lot of them look at these rappers from across the ocean and just start to build on that, rather than to grow in healthy balanced individuals. I always felt Davids had some peat fires burning inside of him. It is fine if he brings stuff up to improve our society (never did) or as a way to heal from it (never did), but I sense that a lot it is to hang on and a way to communicate this "not understood by society persona" if that makes any sense. This has hurt the NT. We didn't get out of that generation what we should have and their media appearances made me sick. It was funny to see how Seedorf did not want to be reminded of that period when pundit Derksen visited and interviewed him in Brazil. Apparently Seedorf was not feeling well about it in hindsight and I am glad that is the case. He shouldn't as it was totally misplaced. I don't want that to happen again. BMI is an example for all. Not this troubled bullshit, not this angry at the country that gave him all these possibilities persona. The guy is just happy where he is and he should be. Wijnaldum, is there a guy with a more beautiful smile? Hard warming. You see, it is perfectly possible. Just normal guys, happy to be there. I think Boulah was also a normal guy. Dutch Moroccan and a pretty balanced individual. There are fine examples of people that do not invest in this hate or indifference for their country. There can be rightful grievances, but that is not an exclusive right for immigrants. A lot of people have problems. It also depends on what a person spends his mental energy on. That is a choice and it can also be focussed on all the things I mentioned above. Do they have eye for that as well? Do they see all these volunteers at clubs working for nothing so that kids can sharpen their skills and have fun? Did Morocco do all these things for kids like him or did the Netherlands? Laurent75 (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Laurent75 (open) Laurent75 (close) I agree with the whole idea of the post but some things should be discussed. Every immigrant who made it as a footballer should be thankful to his adoption country for offering him all the ideal conditions to make it. Now, you know that sport and politics are linked. Here in France you can often here politicians or sport personnalities saying things such as "there are too many blacks in the french team". Or debating about halal meat in the french's team menu. Things are probably a bit less like that in Holland as you are a smaller country. Also the difference is that black players in Holland are all from a christian background I believe, while half of the blacks in France are muslims. If that was the case in Holland, you would probably hear Wilders talking about the muslim invasion in the dutch NT etc. and then I'm not sure that the black dutch players would sing the national anthem and express their love to the country anymore. That's probably how El Ghazi feels, as footballer he can only be thankful to Holland, but as an individual belonging to the moroccan muslim communauty, is it right for him to be ? The western europe is currently at a period where the question of integration and identital culture is very strong. And many medias and politicians are trying to oppose the muslim immigrants to local people. So he would be considered as a coward if expressing his love to the country. Maher said that Israel was a wonderful country during the EC-21 there, many muslims websites attacked him. When Chadli said that he feels belgian, he was criticized and some moroccans hackers attacked his website. So even if El Ghazi feels dutch, I'm not sure he would express it. For all reactions, go to this page.