Dual nationals who could suit up for the US.

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by juvechelsea, Oct 26, 2018.

  1. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx BigSoccer Yellow Card

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States


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  2. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx BigSoccer Yellow Card

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NOT IDEAL IF TRUE


     
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  3. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Tweets don’t show up for me. What do they say?
     
  4. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Ok so they show up when I quote them. Strange.

    and I’m not buying stuff like this when it doesn’t come from a journalist with a rep to uphold. If berhalter was one thing, he was a thorough, dedicated recruiter of dual nats. This is just an attempt to fan the flames of the perpetually angry segment of the fan base who are always looking for something to get upset about.
     
  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx BigSoccer Yellow Card

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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    The first person (the one reporting it not reacting to it) regularly posts on BigSoccer so you could confront him directly if you think he's making it up "to fan the flames of the perpetually angry segment of the fan base who are always looking for something to get upset about".... just saying.
     
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  7. xbhaskarx

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    Wolff brothers... no mention of the youngest

     
  8. eliwood

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  9. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    I believe that is Nene Brown
     
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  10. xbhaskarx

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    Koleosho sighting
     
  11. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
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    Koleosho was third lowest rated starter by Fotmob but not sure we have a leg to stand on there. Wonder if he’s still recovering from his injury - surprised he was not more influential last season given how good he looked before the injury.
     
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  12. xbhaskarx

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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Unfortunately Koleosho hasn't been the same since his injury. I'm not sure what is going on with him. But his injury recovery did take longer than expected, at some point there was an issue there... I only watched him before the injury when he looked pretty promising and the advanced stats liked him, I don't watch much Champo so I can't comment on how he's looked since.
     
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  13. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas


    This kid has a lot of swagger.
     
  14. hobbes

    hobbes Member

    Jul 26, 1999
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    UEFA.com named Koleosho MOTM yesterday. Having seen the Fotmob score I found that puzzling.
     
  15. xbhaskarx

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    Liam West

     
  16. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Owen Wolff is only 20. He could've developed into a USMNTer.
     
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  17. xbhaskarx

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    Damion Downs cap tied


    Anrie Chase update


    https://www.getfootballnewsgermany....o-rb-salzburg-collapses-after-failed-medical/

    Kicker reports that a failed medical has sunk a deal to send VfB Stuttgart central defender Anrie Chase to RB Salzburg. The Bundesliga outfit were hoping to generate some revenue from the sale of the €4m-valued Japanese youth international. In the end, however, Chase’s continued struggles with a torn adductor fiber incurred in March led to the transfer’s collapse.
     
  18. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
    Club:
    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah Chase was seen in crutches in Japan last week so it might be a while before he's ready to suit up for anybody. He completely fell out of the first team squad months ago, so hopefully this deal can be revived after the CWC.
     
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  19. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After watching this season, his first healthy one in a while, and most recently in the Club World Cup.

    I'm going to say something, that with my signature, makes me a bit of a hypocrite, but:

    Inter Miami's Ian Fray is a better RB/CB combo than Freeman or Harriel.

    Call him up before Jamaica cap ties him.
     
  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fray’s problem has been every time he starts to get momentum he keeps getting injured. But he’s definitely at least a January camp call if he keeps this up.
     
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  21. Yowza

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    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
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    United States
    Love Ian Fray, terrific player
     
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  22. Athlone

    Athlone Member+

    Feb 2, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    Jamaica has approached him multiple times, and he's still uncapped. Some of that is down to injury (he was in the 2023 Gold Cup provisional squad, but got hurt that year). However, he has publicly and recently made it pretty clear he will be keeping his options open:

    https://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/sports/20250312/frayed-loyalties

    I think both the player and those around him understand that a place in the USMNT isn't unrealistic, and he's still pretty young (23 this summer).

    The math does get a bit messy for him because he's in that classic no-mans land a lot of solid players find themselves in: good enough for the USMNT radar (January Camp), but not really a lock for the real competitive tournament USMNT.

    Jamaica, their shambolic group stage showing in this ongoing 2025 Gold Cup aside, is a surer path to World Cup minutes. Jamaica will go through this fall if they can win a group including Curacao, Trinidad, and Bermuda. That's no guarantee (ask the Canadians how easy the Curacaoans are, and then check the shaky Jamaica showings against Guatemala and Guadeloupe, each peers of Curacao in capability), but it's certainly doable and it's about as clear a WC path as anyone not named New Zealand can have.

    And Fray is good enough to make Jamaica's team today. He plays in multiple roles where Jamaica needs depth. He wouldn't be a locked in starter but would make every 23 and definitely get games, with the chance to become a starter down the line. He'd have certainly started at least one game in this 2025 Gold Cup were he in the side given the injuries Damion Lowe, Mason Holgate and Isaac Hayden have suffered.

    So if he commits to Jamaica now (I think he'd need to be on board in fall to be ensured a summer 2026 place), there's some WC upside. Jamaica will probably go and he will probably play.

    But he is on the USMNT radar. There's room to work his way up that ladder - maybe it's a bit late to make a run for the USMNT's WC 26 pool, but anything can happen - he keeps playing well, a few guys get hurt at the wrong time but he stays healthy (which I understand is not a given for Fray, I'll get to that below), etc. And, even if he doesn't make it for 2026, he could work his way into the pool for the 2027 Gold Cup, the next Nations League qualifying sides, and maybe push on from there and find himself making competitive appearances in his prime and earning a decent number of caps.

    And if it doesn't work out and he's still not getting USMNT calls come 2027 or 2028, Jamaica will still be there. Right?

    Well, maybe. With his injury history, and the naturally transient nature of the game and of player pools, a Jamaica cap can't be guaranteed in 2030. As I noted above, Fray makes a Jamaica 23 now but he's not a lock for the XI, Jamaica has some solid players, even without him. And that pool can grow in 4 more years. Fray, while good, is just not the caliber of player who can automatically be penciled in indefinitely as soon as he makes a decision for Jamaica - if he was, we wouldn't even be having this conversation and the USMNT would have locked him up already.

    Maybe a non-cap tied 2028/2029 version of Fray who has just fallen short of his USMNT ambitions but is still a very solid MLS player can make Jamaica's 2029 Gold Cup squad...but maybe not. And maybe he's hurt at the wrong time and it doesn't matter. And maybe he was cap tied in a single 2027 Gold Cup group stage win over Guyana, never seen again and his international career is already over.

    So he may get just one shot here. As noted above, Jamaica will want a decision by fall most likely, and certainly before January camp at a minimum. If he decides to pass on that, there's a real chance he doesn't get another opportunity like it again, and ends up in true no-mans land - no real competitive USMNT time and no Jamaica World Cup time.

    So is passing on the WC opportunity Jamaica presents now worth it? It's actually a very tough decision. I don't blame him for taking his time.
     
  23. Demo250

    Demo250 Member

    Mar 26, 2025
    Nathaniel Brown and Koleosho facing off in the U21 Euros
     
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  24. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think with Jamaica if it starts to look like they’re going to qualify there’s a good chance they get some of these guys who are uncertain off the fence. Very few players turn down an actual World Cup when it is offered to them.
     
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  25. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jamaica (and some of the other island nations) have had some issues when guys pop up after qualifying to then take a roster spot. Even the US turned down Earnie Stewart when they made the WC in 1990.

    Will be interesting to see how such a move might impact the team if it happens.
     

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