Dual nationals who could suit up for the US.

I never said that Poch will not talk to dual nats.
What I do think and say. Is that I question the way Poch thinks about dual nats. The USMNT does not have the pull to wait until the player makes the first move. USMNT should be the one that makes the first move because we don't have any history or soccer culture to make people feel proud to play for the USMNT

Depending on the player, like Balogun, the USMNT does have to beg those players because we don't have the ceiling or depth of those types of players. If I'm not wrong Gregg did give a spot to Tillman for the 2022 WC but never called him up

 

This is interesting. Ironically, there are a decent amount of duals emerging for Argentina. Sons of players who were playing abroad (Paz, Diego Simeones kid) and/or Spanish players like Garnacho, and Mexican born kid at Alaves. Japan has more and more American and African/Caribbean duals in their pool. Even Brazil has a solid but not spectacular Belgian born and raised player in the pool. Duals are going to be a larger and larger part of the deal everywhere- hell Australia often starts a Scot and the Scottish team often starts an Aussie.

 

I'm not even sure if he’s said he wouldn’t “make the first move” so to speak. I have never gotten that.

 

🇯🇵 Anrie Chase (Stuttgart, 20)
📊 vs Top 5 League U21 Centrebacks

🥇 Aerial duels won, % — 1st
🥇 Accurate forward passes, % — 1st
🥇 Accurate short passes, % — 1st
🥉 Tackles (PAdj) — 3rd
🥉 Interceptions (PAdj) — 3rd
🥉 Accurate passes, % — 3rd
🥉 Accurate long passes, % — 3rd… pic.twitter.com/94KHNX2H9l

— DataMB (@DataMB_) December 1, 2024

 

Nathaniel Brown with the assist, by far our best uncapped dual nat right now. https://t.co/YIfVQlkoSN

— hermes (@Hermesish) December 1, 2024

 

Best Daul nat out there?

 

EVERY European academy US eligible player

 

Brown is not playing like a backup left back. That said, I thinkbwe can probably count him out for this cycle. He must have hopes of playing for Germany.

 

Did Gregg really pass up on Brown when the player had been in B2?

 

That's what this Concacaf Edgar guy said, haven't seen anyone dispute his reporting on that... if Gregg costs us Nathaniel Brown because he preferred Kristoffer Lund (after preferring Lovitz to Jedi... a real savant at LB talent identification) he should be shipped off to gitmo.

 

Nathaniel Brown....

🇩🇪🔥 Nathaniel Brown in the 4-0 victory of Eintracht Frankfurt over Heidenheim:

◉ 2 assists.
◉ MOST duels won (9).
◉ MOST fouls taken (4).
◉ MOST tackles (4).
◉ MOST key passes (3).
◉ 26/29 successfull passes. pic.twitter.com/NgmA83r1hp

— dataref (@dataref_) December 1, 2024

Nathaniel Brown:

⚽️02/11: first-ever Bundesliga goal in a game against Bochum

⚽️10/11: second Bundesliga goal in a game against Stuttgart

⚽️15/11: first-ever goal for Germany U-21 in a game against Denmark

01/12: 🅰️🅰️brace of assists in a game against Heidenheim

The… pic.twitter.com/J4nWWVPatH

— Football Talent Scout - Jacek Kulig (@FTalentScout) December 1, 2024

Nathaniel Brown in Frankfurt's away win at Heidenheim:

> 8.8 FotMob rating ✅
> 73 minutes played
> 2 assists (4 goal contributions in the last 4 games)
> 0.15 xA
> 26/29 (90%) accurate passes
> 3 chances created (match high)
> 2 big chances created
> 52 touches
> 3 touches in… pic.twitter.com/FGYuFnYzO0

— USMNT Report 🇺🇸🇹🇷 (@USMNTReport) December 1, 2024

Narhaniel Brown is different and I've been saying this for a long time. 2 assists today.

USSF needs to bring out the box and one to lock him down. https://t.co/FSzQv9ax5j pic.twitter.com/PQAORHTV4w

— USMNT Report 🇺🇸🇹🇷 (@USMNTReport) December 1, 2024

 

lost dual nats... remember what they stole from you

To think he could’ve played for the USMNT… https://t.co/xDllHslozl

— American Ultras Talk (@ameriultrastalk) December 1, 2024

Reminder: Obed Vargas only turned 19 in August.

What a talent.

— Tom Bogert (@tombogert) December 1, 2024

 

As much as I agree with Edgar about Gregg taking Lund over Brown. Its hindsight is 20/20. Neither Brown nor Lund were playing at a good level and were not killing it.

With Damion Downs. I have no clue why Mitrovic took McGuire over Downs.

 

Edgar I believe also said that Brown was going to commit to the Olympics and was ready to but backed out in the past

 

I would do the same if I was Brown

 

Slow your roll buddy. Has Downs expressed any interest in representing the USA? And how do you know he wasn't contacted by USSF?

 

He was in the final camp with the u23 before the Olympics

 

Slow your roll LOL how about doing five seconds of research before spouting off?

People here will defend anything... even though Damion Downs was in the final U-23 camp before the Olympics and not selected for the final roster we can't REALLY know that Downs was interested in representing the US unless we have a signed affidavit and a DNA test from both his parents.

 

He didn't even have to take him over Downs, could have just taken both, and left Mihailoirrelevant at home. Downs was literally scoring goals to save a club (temporarily if memory serves) from relegation in the big leagues so to speak at the time. When I first saw Downs wasn't going, I assumed it was because he couldn't be released, I didn't think it was because we were colossal idiots. Alas, we were colossal idiots, just like with Luna, and for a team that got its collective ---es handed to it against the only two challenging opponents they faced (0-7 against France/Morocco), to leave home two of its very best attacking players for freaking guys like Mihailovic and McGuire is utterly mind boggling, I mean FFS, we'd already seem McGuire humiliated in the France friendly back in March (blowing sitters, or sitter, my old man memory is failing me)....

Zion, I don't mind, because if at least reports are to be believed, he was as set on playing for Japan, as Araujo was set on playing for Mexico. There was no changing his mind. Doesn't sound like Subotic level mishandling.

But yeah, Luna, and Downs were just gigantic self-owns of epic level stupidity.

 

My prediction is that no one will directly respond to this but they will probably take passive aggressive shots at you in some other thread a week from now for daring to question US Soccer's brilliant decision-making so directly lol

 

I'm confused are these the people that blindly give Gregg all the credit for recruiting dual nats or am I confusing them with another group.

 

The Olympics doesn't necessarily mean anything though. We dropped Esmir (at least according to one version) because we got wind that he planned to represent the US in the tournament and then immediately switch teams after. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Downs is the same thing, and maybe you take a shot on him anyway, even if you're not totally sure he's interested in the US going forward. But again, the Olympics might not mean much from a long-term commitment perspective. And if it's too blatant, it teaches guys not to value the shirt, and I would agree with Poch that is bad.

Re: Luna, I'm concerned that it was some sort of retribution. IIRC he left a U23 camp in the middle for personal reasons, and then wasn't called in again. I'm concerned the coach was one of those 'well now I can't trust you' types. Yes, we ended up burning an overage slot on a guy who the most charitable thing you can say is that their MLS stats were about equivalent (ignoring that Luna is basically getting better by the month). And the player has gone from a guy who seemed to be pretty focused on the US to one that would probably take the first call-up he gets.

 

Let's do a Top 10 of greatest missed Dual-Nats - for any reason and in no specific order... just a top 10. I'm curious to see waht names we come up with. Can anyone give a seconded on Araujo?

I'll start w/ the two easy pickens:

1 Rossi
2 Subotic
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4
5
6
7
8
9
10

Please add to the list!

 

Shalrie Joseph.

 

Jonathan David?