Dual nationals who could suit up for the US.

Not really a rule.

The confusion is that a competitive youth match will count toward the total number of matches for a player under 21 who also has a non-cap-tying competitive appearance. Once a player hits 4 (including a competitive senior match), the player can't switch.

 

Ihr seht das Meme doch auch oder? 👉🏻👈🏻#VfB pic.twitter.com/kfSvJCnrrQ

— VfB Stuttgart (@VfB) November 12, 2024

Another Dual National player to track for the future- 18 year old German American Center-Back Elijah Scott from Stuttgart. Training with the 1st team during the break, 6'2 Right Footed CB.

 

potentially one day an iconic photo...

 

Update on 2006 born French-American goalkeeper Adam Delpace ('06):

- Appeared on the RC Lens 1st team bench for the first team time on October 6th in a Ligue 1 match against RC Strasbourg.

- Has started three out of the last four matches for RC Lens II in the Championnat… https://t.co/isrtBrTd6k pic.twitter.com/lmpMlBzLDK

— USMNT Report 🇺🇸🇹🇷 (@USMNTReport) November 11, 2024

 

Why are you going back 6 years when Berhalter was regularly starting Daniel Lovitz ahead of Antonee Robinson like two years after taking the USMNT job?

 

Die FROschaft ?
Los Fro Bros?


potentially a backline of these 2, w/ Fossey and a "let the fro grow Jedi" ... LOL. then we'd finally have the worlds attention

 

This is not accurate. All of Lovitz’s caps were in 2019. Berhalter’s first match was late January of 2019. Also that’s 5 years ago so not much of a difference compared to 6.

 

Do you see them playing for the US?

 

I mean, seriously, Daniel Lovitz started 6 games for the USMNT. We won 5 of them.

Berhalter evaluated all sorts of guys at left back in the 2022 cycle. Vines, Bello, Lovitz, and others. When the games really started to matter, which was 2022 WCQing..................he stuck with Robinson. He made the same evaluation everybody else did.

 

Yes but lying/misrepresenting things is justifiable if it makes berhalter look bad.

 

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I don't really understand what this is about to begin with. It was always stupid to play Lovitz over Jedi PERIOD, Berhalter prioritized Lovitz over Jedi during '19, a year when Berhalter put way way way too much emphasis on familiarity with his system and the performance of the team in the January Cupcake Camp (the guys that got a "pass" from that camp persisted far, far, far too long in the set up, for system, rather than talent reasons at a time when we desperately needed to transition to kids and away from never had it vets). To compound the problems with those decisions from '19, covid hit a year later wiping out 90% of the full international calendar the following year, meaning that instead of getting reps in '19 and '20, the kiddos didnt get integrated together until '21-'22, and it showed in the uneven performances.

Part of the problem was clearly prioritizing players with no future on the international team from January '19 through October of '19.

In fairness to the opposing side of the argument, a pile of relevant players in '21-'22 simply weren't on line yet, and/or weren't switched to the US from their dual nat country. Dest was still deciding after the U20 Cup what country he'd play for, Musah was years away, Reyna was getting in trouble at the U17 WC, but killing it at Dortmund, Tyler Adams was in the process of beginning his always injured journey etc. So there's a counter argument to this take that a lot of the kids flat out weren't ready yet, and to some extent depending upon the player, some of that argument holds water with some particular players, others were injured etc.

But the reality is, in some cases, the decisions were obviously stupid in the moment, and it was said so, Lovitz over Jedi, Baird and Lewis as Wing Forwards extraordinarie regardless of call ups, Trapp and Bradley get hammered on this and the counter argument is valid (both were dumped quickly, Adams was unavailable, when Berhalter wasn't talking about him as a fullback).....

But when it comes to Lovitz? It was just bad period. Doesn't matter if X said first two years, when it was just first year, and it's also worth noting, we don't know what stupid Berhalter might have been up to in 2020 anyway because Covid saved his blushes there. Would he have pressed on with the inane nonsense he indulged summer and fall of '19? Probably not, seems like he got a stern talking to after the El Tri/Canada results that fall, and came back with all guns blazing for the Canada/Cuba November '19 window, so hopefully it wouldn't have been stupid, but we have Panama in '21 as an example, as do we him sticking with Arriola over Weah hell or high water to the extent that he started Arriola in all 3 matches of window 2 of qualifying at Weah's preferred attacking position over him, despite diminishing returns and only switched up when Arriola pulled up lame in warm ups of the final match in Window 2.

So it strikes me as odd to be persnickety about X suggesting 2 years, when we know that Berhalter didn't really coach in year 2 because of Covid, and when he did, well, he freaking ran out Lletget as a false 9 in the prestige match lol, so I don't know how catching someone in a math error or 1 year, which is totally explicable due to covid, is really proving much of anything here. Lovitz and plenty of other decisions from back then were always dumb as hell, period. Some of them had exculpatory reasons behind them, others did not, Lovitz is definitely in the "did not" category for me.

 

it's OK for a USMNT coach to identify a guy he might be interested in, give him a run of games, and then decide to move on. That's what Berhalter did.

Daniel Lovitz is better than this board gives him credit for. There's a reason he's now played over 300 games for MLS clubs.

I'm convinced that if Lovitz played for Seattle instead of TFC/Montreal/Nashville, people would show him a hell of a lot more respect.

 

I still don’t understand why we’re having any discussions on decisions Berhalter made jn 2019, right or wrong.

 

I don't know either, but most people like to correct something they either think is outright wrong, or shading things in an unreasonable direction, that's why I posted that. Any talk about Lovitz, or how long Berhalter persisted in some stupid preferences needs to account for things like covid shutting down all of 2020 other than the final November window, Lovitz over Jedi was stupid etc. Beyond that, i never need to talk about it again. Unless I think someone's trafficing in nonsense, and then it's Godfather Part III Al Pacino line, which is particularly ridiculous right now as a message board I'd used for 22 years just got unceremoniously shut down, with no recourse or news updates whatsoever just like 10 days ago, the official Commanders board, set up by old CPND ex-pats (a board that had existed in some configuration as far back as '94), reminding me why i shouldn't get wrapped up in this crap, nor arguing long, tedious blocks of tests on this antique platform that could be gone tomorrow.

In truth, it's all, to some degree, pointless.

 

Berhalter was appointed in 2018 not 2019, it's no one else's fault that he didn't coach the USMNT for like a year so he could not win a trophy yet again with the Columbus Crew who won trophies both before and after he coached them.
Also one year difference is not an insignificant amount of time given that we just learned that a year ago in 2023 Berhalter was talking to both Lund and Brown and calling up the former but not the latter.

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The Couva loss created a mental health crisis in the U.S. soccer fan community. Much like children whose educations were screwed up by Covid lockdowns, it seems like they might never recover.

 

sure, like revered elder roldan...

 

Lovitz was traded to an expansion team looking to cheaply fill roster spots for like $50k... we're talking about a guy who got 13 USMNT caps in one year just before that $50k move... you do know how capitalism works right, stuff is sold to the highest bidder, like there was nothing preventing Seattle if they wanted Lovitz from paying $75k for him which still basically rounds to "zero"... forget Nathaniel Brown there have got to be like a dozen US eligible fullbacks outside the three regular USMNTers (Jedi Dest Scally) who would go for more than that, Wiley, Reynolds, Jones, etc... if there was an issue with talent evaluation one way or the other, it probably wasn't with "thousands of professional soccer clubs in the multi-billion dollar global market for soccer players"!

 

I guess we’ve all had the discussion a million times already and Berhalter is no longer even coach anymore. There’s not a huge need to litigate his record good or bad.

 

Can we retire this talking point already?

1. Berhalter is gone.
2. We don't know why he favored Lund over Brown (if he actually did), or any other details of the situation.
3. It's still wildly premature to declare that favoring one over the other was a mistake.
4. Most importantly, every talent evaluator -- even the best of them -- has misses like this. You judge them on their body of work, not single A/B decision. Berhalter's work on dual nats was quite good.

 

That's why I say. Youth soccer development isn't always linear.

 

Again, term limits are in the constitution. There is no serious doubt at all.

 

Roldan is a good player who gave what he could to the program. He deserves better than being used as a stick to beat a dead horse.

 

I think the point was that success in MLS wouldn’t have bought Lovitz any respect.

Roldan has been a leading figure on a Seattle team that’s won 3 major championships and made 6 finals and people use him as a punchline. There’s nothing Lovitz could have done realistically to change the minds of people who are frothing at the mouth about him playing in games 5 years ago.

Roldan has had about 1 bad game in a US shirt versus many good ones and people hate him. Jesus Ferreira had a bad half versus being one of the all-time leading scorers and he’s a joke to many. You can’t make a MLS hater watch the game with a fair eye and there’s no point in trying.