sorry I am posting here but I was looking for feed back from coaches. My DD asked a question and I'm not sure how to answer her. At her U9 practice last night they had a drill. They put all 9 girls in a 15x15 box if that, and told them to pass the ball to each other but they weren't to steal the ball. They then took two kids out and made them defenders. After a few seconds they would send the "defenders" in to the mix for them to steal the ball. Now this team has a spacing issue. Most of the girls still clump. So she didn't know what she was supposed to learn from that. She said she asked the coach and he said to pass through traffic?? but they were literally two steps from a teammate to pass to. If anyone would have any insight I'd greatly appreciate it.
I've seen passing through gates (cones) with a partner in that field size but not with defenders. Best way to teach space is to give them a ridiculous amount of space.. 4v4 in a diamond shape, with 4 or 6 goals. Make the field wider than longer. Your defender will learn how to distribute from the back out wide and you wide players and forward will learn that space = more touches.
It's a 7v2 in a 15x15 area—it's not a bad format. YOur 9YO is very precocious to ask questions like, "what was I supposed to learn in this drill?" The distance between teammates isn't a big issue. What was done for the rest of practice? What were his coaching points? If that IS what he said, then he's misidentifying/mis-prioritizing problems.
This kind of drill is supposed to teach players passing under pressure and movement off the ball. Probably the passing skill of the players are so low that the coach has problems making the exercise flow. He tries with no opposition first, then tries to add some. Getting the level of difficulty right is rather hard. The coach needs some time to experiment. If he can't make it work after a few tries he will probably move on to something else.
I am not a coach either and have seen a similar drill. I understand the concept behind it, however, it seems like the coach has to many players in a small space to make a good pass. The other issue I have here is that you say that there is already a spacing issue for the players on the field. I am wondering if drills like this where your coach puts so many players in a small space and has them clump together during practice causes clumping during the game. Which is something I have seen before. What other types of drills does he do to promote proper passing and spacing? Do you know what his end goal is to get from this? Did he have an answer for your daughter? I am wondering what you coaches think.
1. What to say to your daughter: Don't undermine the coach's authority. I don't understand why you question the coach's answer. If you or she don't understand the answer, you should be asking him to explain. I suspect the answer doesn't make sense to you because you assume the drill is supposed to improve passing and receiving technique. It is not. 2. The purpose of the drill is to learn to pass through traffic. I would have phrased it simply: To improve vision. Passing in pairs without opposition but among other pairs is a classic exercise to teach players to look up and around while playing. Both USSF and NSCAA teach coaches this exercise. My guess is that he has identified 2 deficiencies--1) dribbling with the head down and 2) failure to move and not look around while off the ball. This exercise encourages the desired behaviors. @Soccerdad13: The bunching is a necessary part of the exercise. Without it the players have no need to move and look around. The exercise eventually teaches players to continually look for the open space and move to it. All the pairs will tend to move to the same space, requiring the players to look for the next open space. All consistent with the behavior that you want to see in matches. These types of exercises are still used at higher levels typically as part of a warmup. Bunching (to a greater or lesser extent) is part of soccer at every level. Bunching is what creates open space elsewhere.
First thank you for the time to answer the question... I did tell her to ask her coach as I was not sure... I did not offer any other insight. As for the drill I would agree but there were no pairs... It was all of the kids they were told to just call for the ball and move around.. There was one ball for all of the kids. I think that is why she may have been confused .. She has done thebpair passing in traffic before at camps and this mob of kids in a box with one ball and everyone calling for the ball from whoever had it. Again thank you for your time I greatly appreciate it.
They did one other drill.. I call it a star burst... Con in the center and other cones about 15 yards out in a circle... Have the girls in the center other half at a cone each on the outside with a ball.. Girls in center had go touch the center cone with a hand then run out to one of the girls with the ball and call for a pass and one touch pass it back.. If they settled it and passed back or missed it or did a bad pass they had to do what looked like 3 push-ups... They would go for a min and then switch from outside to inside.... As for coaching points I'm not sure from where I was standing I only heard good job or need to make better passes on either drill. Res of practice.. In beginning they run and strech then he and other two coaches recapped Sat game and what needed to be done better...end of practice was suicides and him talking to girls again about what they need to focus on
She has not asked him yet... I told her she needed to ask when she asked me. I did not want to guess or give her mixed signals... I am more or less asking here as I have read and respected what y'all post
I would like to first say thank you for your response. While I would not tell anyone to second guess a coach, sometimes questioning is a good thing. In regards to your post regarding what I said, rca2. I have seen the drill run by several teams as you described, however, that was not the drill that tuffnut11 was describing in my opinion. Since she has posted a response and said that they were not working in pairs as I suspected. This sounds more like a way to cause the girls to run around in a pack instead of finding open space. While yes teaching the girls to play heads up soccer and to look for open space is what needs to happen this does not seem to be the case. Trying to pass through traffic is a skill the team needs to learn but at what cost. If the traffic is to thick with to many girls standing around in a very small space there is not a whole lot of space to move to open space without 7-8 other girls standing in the way all looking to get the only ball in play. I could be mistaken. I have coached other sports and used similar concept drills. But seeing what she posted about the practice in general and push ups being used when a kid makes a mistake instead of correcting the bad behavior is not something that is taught in any coaching clinic I have been to.
I am sorry that I misunderstood what the drill was. The drill is not age-appropriate imo, regardless of what the intent was. I would not use more than 3 or 4 players at most on a side. Small groups or 1v1 except for scrimmages or shadow play to teach team tactics. They need to master playing with a partner first, which is supposed to be done by age 8. Normally I discount a parent's description of their child's coaching, but a parent saying that a coach has the children run suicides--that I have to credit. Youth coaches are supposed to teach fundamentals and how to practice them. Ignorant coaches do fitness drills and devise elaborate tactical schemes, because they don't know how to teach what they are supposed to. I don't find fault with pushups per se, just the use of them as punishment. Pushups are a good strength exercise as is crawling. I have used wheelbarrow races, which are more fun than just doing pushups, and spider crawl races for U Littles. It lets you assess the fitness of the players. Suicides and other endurance training are not per se bad either, just not an efficient use of U-Little training time. The training session should be planned and executed so that the players receive sufficient endurance training from performing mixed tactical and technical exercises. Best practice is not to introduce endurance and strength training before the hormonal changes associated with adolescence kick in. U-Littles do benefit from such training, but it is a poor use of group training time.
I agree with Elessar78: the coach has no clue. The one-touch passing restriction did it for me. Ridiculous in this context.
Trust me I have done a lot of research on soccer and it's current idea of how things are coached. I played soccer till I was 14 but again I was old style stand in lines. When my daughter expressed an interested I started researching and researching to the point that I TOLD our club present about the upcoming changes about two years ago when I was first being milled about and she told me it was ridiculous. When it finally came to our league making the changes and the state we live in she was like how did you know???? At any rate what did it in for me and my daughters coach when he asked in an open forum about the upcoming changes what is the point of playing 7v7 on a smaller field and why can't the goalies punt... that solidified me that he had no real carnal knowledge of how to coach. ( and yes we are trying to find a new place for her to play but we live in a rural area and with work schedules great travel times are not always do able.) As for why I even submitted the question.... I did so because I cannot always translate all of the drills I read about or that y'all talk about on here. I am more of a three dimensional person when it comes to things like that and sometimes I miss the true reason behind the drills you are purposing. I like to learn. I am a book nerd and reading about different hobbies is a hobby of mine. I again like how honest this board is without bashing anyone and felt comfortable trying to understand the reasons behind it. As for the fitness he feels they are losing because they our not conditioned enough and need to run more... atleast that is what he has told us parents.
We all have the same problem, as I obviously just did. This is why elessar78 initially asked what the coaching points were. When using small sided games to teach, most of the movements in the game are found in a 3v3 game. Techniques and tactics. Attacking and defending. On-the-ball and off-the-ball. You can tell only so much from the physical setup and the instructions. It is in the coaching points that you see what a competent coach is focused on for that exercise. (A poor coach won't focus his teaching points.) Generic exercises are only a starting point. Every group of players is different, and each group is different on any given day. So the coach has to adjust the exercise until it produces the behavior that he wants. It has to be challenging but not too difficult for the group. He has to continue to change the exercise (including the instructions and coaching points) as the season progresses because the group will improve. The topics of the lessons need to progress in a logical fashion, building on and reinforcing earlier lessons. The best coaches follow a coaching plan, even if the plan exists only in their head. (It is tough to manage assistants if you don't have a written plan.) That is coaching.
AT first I said he's, first mis-identified the problem but more accurately he's mis-identified solutions. There are what I call "soccer problems": build out of the back, build up through midfield, penetration/creating soccer chances are tactical problems. Fitness is not a problem at U11 on a team with unlimited subs. As coaches, we have 180 minutes of instruction time per week. Those minutes should be held sacred. Without having seen your daughters team, I can probably guess that they probably stand right behind defenders. No offense, 95% of youth players do it. See below how the stripey guys are all in between the yellow guys? Clear passing lanes. No traffic. Simple. If that IS the problem, do you see why your coach's 7v2 does not work to solve it? And I'm only diving deep because you said you wanted to know more (which is great, not enough parents ask). As a coach you want to break the lesson down into the simplest "form". Passing through traffic=passes not making it through to their intended receiver. My first fix would be to teach players to get into clear passing lanes. Don't you think that there's a high percentage that this pass would be completed if they positioned like the stripeys in the above photo? So I ask myself what are the necessary elements to teach this? I need passer (1) and a receiver (2) and now I need resistance: a defender (1) and an objective: a line they must cross. How much space do they need to play in? 10y x 15y seems fair. So my drill is a 2v1 in 10x15 where the team with the ball must cross a line. So there is a dribble/pass decision for the attackers. A "where to position myself" decision for the player without the ball. There is a decision of how to defend for the defender. Once the attackers master that then you can add one more to each team to have a 3v2. More complexity. And now, for a 9v9 format, you've included a third of the players on your team in the attack which is pretty realistic. If I keep you running and moving in a 10x15 box for 10 minutes, do you think you'll get a good workout? Would that workout relate to the demands of the soccer field? And, as a coach, if they're not moving hard enough then you can show them how to move more. Do you think they'll move a lot in a circle in a 15x15 7v2 drill? So IMO , I've developed better solutions to the problems he has outlined.
Again thank you!! Like I said before I like reading her for your input and now love the visual you added!.. The u9 girls just seem lost with what he is trying to teach. At times he has to spend 3 or so mins to explain to his assistance what h is going for... Bit the way you pointed out a more systematic approach to solving passing as well as defending... Fitness.. Attacking.. And spacing all in one drill... I'd honestly rather be more educated and know what I am looking at than just assume. My daughter likes to come up with her own drills to help her work on concepts she likes or she says she needs help with.. We then do them as a family and she is the coach helping us... She big into role playing..IE school..dolls.. Elaborate stories of adventure... So she likes to be the coach. I guess that is why she asked what she was supposed to learn.. She has the coaches yelli g stay wide.. Or same team and spread out. This drill the couldn't move more than two steps without being in top of each other.. Now that all being said I applaud all coaches volley or paid.. Y'all give back to a sport you love...and y'all have helped me even by me lurking and learning