The reason I asked seems glaring. If they are allowed to kick high like that then Michael Oliver has a case to make for analyzing red or no. If they aren't, then Oliver is on hallucinogens..... In either case VAR (to me - with more years of high kick experience than the average Joe, but I think also to Joe-anyone) still suggests that the keeper deliberately left his kick in the area of the face. And the ban should be longer
I’ve mentioned previously, PGMOL have to decide, do they want to get the right outcome or do they want to ensure the right process? I don’t believe they’re interested in the correct on field call
Hard to say if anyone can state what Goalkeepers are allowed to do or not. I strongly suspect that, for example, if Tyrone Mings had executed the exact same tackle that Emmy Martinez did on Nunez in the game two weeks ago, he would have likely been shown a red for excessive force.
Before VAR is was all about vibes. Now with VAR there keeps being a push to make more specific but then when that results in weird decisions they try and go back to vibes. My case is make up your minds and actually stick with one. Either keep reffing on vibes, in which case only use VAR in non subjective areas. Or let's come up with specific rules ala the NFL or Rugby which will initially lead to weird decisions but if given enough time will become the norm. I'm happy either way just wish the leaders would pick one. VAR can still look at a yellow card incident and upgrade it to a red. I'm going for the incompetence. I am actually a little concerned for Oliver he was IHMO the best ref in the prem for a while. At the moment I think he's the worst, and seems to have lost confidence in his decision making and has become defensive as the Slot red card shows.
aaaaaaand .... here it is ...... The Premier League is to introduce semi-automated offside technology for the round of fixtures starting on Saturday 12 April. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cgenyp53plpo ----------------------- I guess bringing in a totally different way of refereeing, with less than 10 games left in the season, must make sense to ... someone ... somewhere ... somehow.
But VAR is soooooo great guys...Tarkowski didn't actually foul Mac.... VAR might as well be scrapped at this point. I could care less.
agreed - but I have always felt that way about it. The fact that the goal that put us out of the CL was actually offside is ridiculous. Why? Because if you automate VAR offside - still have someone review it for errors after the re-start, and then stop the game if there's a problem found and add the minute or so to the clock.... ffs....
Still think that reviews should be limited to 3 per game, similar to the NFL challenge system. Each manager can hit a button on the bench and challenge a decision - penalty (dive or not?), was the goal offside, that was not a dangerous challenge (shouldn't be a red card), etc. If the manager, and by extension the players, are not asking for reviews, they shouldn't be done independently on EVERYTHING.
No. I meant just on automated VAR deicisons. In 99.9 % of them it'll be a guy looks at a picture and doesn't see anything untoward. Then you get a picture like the one in LFC v PSG which is obvious to the naked eye that it needs a further scrutiny/ It's like old style quality control on a factory belt. They don;t pick up and scrutinize every unit - only the ones that look malformed or misshapen to the eye or the drop down hole
Yeah, this is certainly a way to go. It would do nothing IMO to quell fan outrage about "bad" calls. And I don't think there's any chance this comes in. But this does address the complaint you're talking about and many people would welcome this change, obviously. What would that look like? Like a PI call, you mean? If CB doesn't have eyes on the ball and interferes with the catch it's automatic call? Those kinds of rules, translated to penalties and red cards and what not? They already kind of do this, don't they? Handball certainly has a number of "weird" guidelines. So do red card tackles. What would be an example of a change in this category that would come in to "help" refs/VAR? They're not going to do either. Just gonna keep tweaking what they've got, IMO. Don't see us getting to a real. breaking point, from here.
It would be like you describe. Basically a decision tree "if that then this" kind of process. An attempt to try and spell out specifically what is and isn't a penalty. Which I admit at the start would lead to some weird PK's. Something might seem like an innocuous coming together but actually checks all the boxes for a PK. So at the start you will have all the ex pro's and fans on twitter screaming that it isn't a PK but if the PGMOL sticks to their guns, is consistent, and works to educate tv providers (and the TV providers don't stir shit up on purpose), then eventually most fans will adjust their own perceptions. I've seen it happen in other sports when video replay was introduced. In the NFL there were tons of teething problems, and even some pretty crazy overturns mostly around what was or wasn't a catch. But a combination of tweaking the interpretations and sticking to their guns has gotten us to a place where most fans can tell you if it's a catch or not with one or two replays.
the moment delayed offside flags were introduced, many people (incl many on here) were aghast, saying "it's just a matter of time before some player gets seriously injured". well, now one has. this poor guy had to be put into an induced coma. I saw it live, totally sickening. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cp92njv53k3o The injury suffered by Nottingham Forest striker Taiwo Awoniyi has raised questions about the future of the offside law. The 27-year-old was placed into an induced coma on Tuesday after requiring surgery on an abdominal injury sustained when he collided with the post in a 2-2 Premier League draw against Leicester City at the City Ground. Awoniyi was attempting to get on the end of a cross by winger Anthony Elanga. Sources have told BBC Sport that Awoniyi suffered a ruptured intestine. He received medical attention for several minutes and had to leave the field after initially attempting to carry on. He was later taken to hospital after his condition worsened. Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis walked on to the pitch at full-time to speak to manager Nuno Espirito Santo, "frustrated" by the medical team's "misjudgement". Replays showed Elanga was offside in the build-up to the incident. The assistant referee followed protocol by allowing the passage of play to continue, but the severity of Awoniyi's injury has raised doubts about the application of the law. What is the law on 'delaying the flag'? A new protocol on offsides was introduced by the International Football Association Board (IFAB) for the 2020-21 Premier League season. While the law did not change, assistant referees were told to keep their flag down if they felt there was an immediate goalscoring opportunity. Once a goal was scored or the passage of play completed, assistant referees would raise their flag to indicate offside. Should a goal be scored, the video assistant referee (VAR) could then review the offside. Assistant referees are told to immediately raise their flag for offside if the passage of play is not a clear or immediate goalscoring opportunity, if the passage of play is going to the wing, or if they are certain the attacker is in an offside position and there is no risk of error.
If the Dean Henderson handball wasn't a red then honestly I don't know what is. I heard the absolute laughable explanation but they should have just been truthful and said "We didn't want to ruin the game so we ignored the rules". I actually understand the sentiment and it created some serious narrative and helped the good guys win for sure but man oh man does English reffing feel like WWE.
more proof that the the P in PGMOL stands for Pisspoor, not Professional. what a joke of an "organization". this VAR check was yet another "all stop, we need to look for leg hairs straying offside" situations ...... https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c93yg8x3335o Nottingham Forest's win at West Ham was high on drama, with some great goals, jaw-dropping errors and even the odd scrap. But it is the officials and the technology in the spotlight again. The problem for the video assistant referee this time came after Nikola Milenkovic flicked Anthony Elanga's free-kick past Alphonse Areola to put Forest 2-0 ahead in the second half. It looked like there may have been a marginal offside, so VAR was called on for a quick check. That quick check turned into an excruciating six-minute delay as the semi-automated offside technology was not working, and neither was the communications system between on-pitch referee Sam Barrott and the VAR.