Don't Boo Sigi Please!

Discussion in 'LA Galaxy' started by Dammit!, Jul 5, 2004.

  1. Dammit!

    Dammit! Member

    Apr 14, 2004
    Mickey Mouse Land
    Okay, enough already! It's a new season.

    Accomplishments:

    1. Albright experiment is working.
    2. New draftees Nqwenya and Grabavoy -- excellent.
    3. Herzog
    4. 1st in the West
    5. "rejects" from Dallas are panning out and Ezra, well...
    6. Attacking soccer. Four strikers on the field at once. We are up 2-1 last night and striker is subbed out for ... striker.
    7. He wears a suit in the introductions.

    So, the boos are embarrassing.
     
  2. dawgpound2

    dawgpound2 Member

    Mar 3, 2001
    Los Angeles, CA

    Why are the boos embarrassing? It's the right of a paying customer to boo anyone he/she chooses.

    I don't even agree with the booing necessarily, but we need more expresssion of any (clean) kind at soccer matches. Heck, I yell my guts out from my upper deck $28 seats, and I don't care who looks at me funny!
     
  3. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    In L.A., we don't forgive, I guess. But the fact that the fans even care enough to know to boo the coach is a good sign that they actually care about the team. I didn't really get the feeling that the fans cared at the Rose Bowl, they seemed to just come to see a soccer game not to see a galaxy game. Maybe there is hope for 2 teams survivng after all.
     
  4. Dammit!

    Dammit! Member

    Apr 14, 2004
    Mickey Mouse Land
    Quick clarification. It's embarrassing because we are booing someone who is doing a good job. It's like eating at a restaurant and the waitress is great but your ass of a friend doesn't leave a tip. Might as well boo Ruiz when he's introduced.

    And I don't buy the "it's good because it shows passion" argument either.

    That's all.
     
  5. Kurty015

    Kurty015 New Member

    Jun 19, 2003

    Your argument really doesn't make sense. If the fans "care enough to know" they wouldn't boo him because of the reasons stated above. The booing is s sign that they don't know and it is kinda stupid. Expression is good, I agree with that, but booing Sigi right now is a bit like booing Ruiz. I mean they are both doing their jobs pretty well at the moment.
     
  6. Beakmon FC

    Beakmon FC Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Jan 10, 2002
    The OC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This thread is starting to sound a lot like Clinton trying to define 'is'..... :eek:
     
  7. rokstedy

    rokstedy Member+

    I love commieball
    Apr 20, 2001
    Northwest Orange County
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. Albright experiment is working.

    Only after Bruce Arena experimented first, but at least Sigi took cue and expanded on it.

    2. New draftees Nqwenya and Grabavoy -- excellent.

    Indeed, and he's playing them.

    3. Herzog

    Rumor is that this was all Klinnsman.

    4. 1st in the West

    For now. In a league with parity, anything can happen.

    5. "rejects" from Dallas are panning out and Ezra, well...

    Suarez gets regular playing time although he plays with reckless abandon sometimes. Broome reminds me of Adam Frye: hardworker but not much else.

    6. Attacking soccer. Four strikers on the field at once. We are up 2-1 last night and striker is subbed out for ... striker.

    Exception to the rule: 6/23 against the Metros, we had four strikers on the field at once in the second half and still couldn't put one in the net. Remember that game? Otherwise, we have depth at forwards.

    7. He wears a suit in the introductions.

    No comment as that's really insignificant.
     
  8. dashiel

    dashiel Member+

    Jul 15, 2000
    orange county
    yeah booing sigi, well apart from that appalling mess that was the metro stars and everybody deserved to be booed off the pitch, right now is a bit silly.

    sigi has really addressed most of the complaints of last season, which as i recall were:

    1) plays for ties
    2) over reliance on underperforming veterans
    3) can't win on the road
    4) boring games (yeah there are still some snoozers this season, especially the the past couple of weeks, but overall much better than last year)
    5) sigi-ball. this one i'll concede a bit, but there was some very, very nice short ball movement last night
    6) bottom end of the table
    7) no attacking options outside of ruiz

    if anything sigi deserves to be booed because we're failing at the back, where sigi is usually rock solid.
     
  9. taco jones

    taco jones Member

    Dec 23, 2003
    and it's even tough to blame him for that because:

    1. injuries have kept us from seeing our first-string backline play together.
    2. we're all happy to see more offense this year... and it was inevitable that we'd condede more goals by pushing up and attacking more consistently.

    or i could be full of ******** and just making excuses because i both respect and fear sigi's girth.
     
  10. cl_hanley

    cl_hanley New Member

    Sep 3, 2001
    Costa Mesa
    Damn dashiel! We had a good rivalry going on last year when I was all for Sigi getting the axe, but this is a new year and your points are well founded. Sigi's attitude, game plan, and general approach to the game have vastly improved from 2003 in my opinion, and a better squad doesn't hurt either. If folks want to boo Sigi that's fine, but for clarification for your fellow G fans who may be confused as to why you boo...explanation please. I carried my reasons in my holster on my hip last season so I could throw some lead down range when face-to-face with the pro-Sigi brigade (AKA The Establishment).

    I believe that some folks won't be satisfied until Sigi is gone for no other reason than just because....
     
  11. TrickHog

    TrickHog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sigi could lead us to a Supporter's Shield, a US Open Cup, an MLS cup, a CONCACAF Gold Cup and the playoffs every year, and he'd still be booed...

    Becaue Sigi is fat and smug, and people hate that combination. And the majority of the press that actually gives a damn and covers the Galaxy don't like him because he doesn't speak Spanish, so they're against him. Plus he coaches the greatest team in the league, with the greatest stadium and greatest fans, who expect only the best...so unless we go undefeated and win every game playing exciting, attractive soccer, someone is going to complain.

    So, he's basically screwed. Everything that's good with the team is from someone else (Klinsman, etc.) and everything that's bad with the team is Sigi's fault.

    And as far as saying that all credit for Herzog goes to Klinsman, isn't one of the basic principles of being a good leader is to surround yourself with quality assistants and listen to their advice and wisdom? Sigi could have ignored Klinsman's advice. (I only wish he could have ignored the league when El Crapador and Dr. Bo were forced on him.)

    And I'm not even a big Sigi supporter. I just think that within the rules of the league, with such incredible parity, that any team over .500 is doing pretty damn good.
     
  12. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Credit goes to Sigi for at least two reasons:

    1. The team is playing a different brand/stlye of ball than it has the last two years, and is clearly more entertaining. I now get my money's worth when I go to the games (except for that Metros stinker - I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!!)

    2. Sigi not only drafted wisely, he has not been afraid to use the kids. I know that to some extent injuries have forced his hand, but we're seeing a lot of Grabavoy, Ngwenya, and recently Aloisi. These are kids with ZERO MLS experience, and Sigi has thrown them into the fire and stuck with them.

    The legitimate raps on Sigi last year (and even the Cup year before) were boring ball and reliance on retreads. He has addressed both of those issues. When a guy shows a willingness to adjust and address problems, that should be applauded, not booed.

    And, yes, the fans have the "right" to boo - but it is embarassing to see the guy with the best record in the league taking this kind of stick. Not for Sigi's sake - he's paid to have a thick skin. What's embarassing is to have supposedly knowledgeable fans booing the All-Star coach. Makes 'em look like rubes.
     
  13. Dammit!

    Dammit! Member

    Apr 14, 2004
    Mickey Mouse Land
    That was said much more eloquently than I ever could...
     
  14. TrickHog

    TrickHog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Cadaver should have his Bigsoccer.com priviledges yanked. Way too much rational and eloquent discussion...
     
  15. PZ

    PZ Member

    Apr 11, 1999
    Michiana
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've never booed Sigi and have never thought he deserved the criticism he's recieved. However, if ticket buyers wish to boo him, that's their choice.
     
  16. Dammit!

    Dammit! Member

    Apr 14, 2004
    Mickey Mouse Land
    That's not the question...of course people have a "right" to do anything that's not illegal. The question is whether they should.

    I would just add, it also looks bad because the opposing team and their fans see the Galaxy fans boo the coach. I bet that makes them snicker and gives them an ounce of pleasure before we kick their sucky behinds.
     
  17. dawgpound2

    dawgpound2 Member

    Mar 3, 2001
    Los Angeles, CA

    Pease sums up what I mentioned earlier. Why should people paying good money NOT boo if they choose?

    Would you boo Shawn Green this year? Would you boo Shaq for being unprepared all too often?

    If someone feels Sigi is not up to snuff, boo away I say.
     
  18. PZ

    PZ Member

    Apr 11, 1999
    Michiana
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the real question should be, where were the 'boos' last season when LA stuck up the league? Or, will the boos still be there next season with the Spanish language media are more focused on the Goats rather than trying to find fault with the most successful active coach in the league?

    Why not try to counter the boos next Saturday by making a point to give an extra cheer for Sigi?
     
  19. dropkick chalky

    dropkick chalky New Member

    Apr 2, 2003
    Santa Monica, CA

    I was in Sec. 138 and didn't even notice the boos on Sunday.
     
  20. Femfa

    Femfa New Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Yeah, I think the Sigi boo is due mostly to residue resentment and blame from last year - which people whould get over and quit. And yes, being fat does make him more of a target. That's not fair, though.

    I'm going to cheer Sigi - I never booed him, mind. But in L.A., image counts for a lot - it's interesting how Laker fans didn't ever blame Phil for not keeping Kobe and Shaq in line in terms of getting along.
     
  21. PZ

    PZ Member

    Apr 11, 1999
    Michiana
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    you can't miss them where I sit in 232
     
  22. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    Hasn't anyone told Sigi about Atkins or South Beach? Unfortunately, his physical appearance does make him more of a magnet for boobirds. And last year's debacle still resonates for many. Personally, I think he's done a good job this year. The personnel has really been an upgrade. I agree that the defense has been the Achilles Heel. But even there, injuries have taken their toll, and unfortunately the depth is not there. Also, Suarez in the middle is still a work in progress, and Bo has seen his best days. Now with Califf out and Marshall not at full strength, the defense will be really tested. But things could be a lot worse (see Smurfs, who are heading south, and I don't mean physical relocation).
     
  23. Ch(Elsey)

    Ch(Elsey) Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    May 2, 2003
    Green, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Poor Sigi, what a terribly, unflattering photo of him on MLSnet.com...Yikes.
     
  24. PZ

    PZ Member

    Apr 11, 1999
    Michiana
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Have any of you seen what Diego Maradona looks like these days?
     
  25. Topper

    Topper BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 19, 1999
    SoCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's pretty much the Spanish speaking crowd that boos him.

    At least, around my section, it always seems to be angry Latinos that boo.

    Sheesh, the guy has us in 1st place and he still gets booed.

    Frankly, I think he could win a couple more MLS cups in a row, and he still get booed by the same crowd.

    I think it displays a lack of class, much like myself when I drink one of those $11 Coronas and scream at the ref til my voice is gone. :(

    Topper

    :D

    GO GALAXY!!! KILL THE cRAPIDS!!!
     

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