Donovan's interpretation of what happened in the 2nd half.

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Bruce S, Mar 30, 2003.

  1. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    "I try to get behind a defense any way I can," Donovan said. "When you get good service it helps, which I got today. I thought in the first half everything was in front of (the Venezuelans) and we never really threatened to get behind them. Even if it doesn't come off, if you just give them the threat it opens up more space in the middle. I think that happened in the second half."

    I agree.The front of McBride and Kirovski has no pace to open up space.I think Landon's goal was fantastic, but as important was the space he opened up immediately when he came in with his pace. He was threatening to get behind the D and that changed how the D could play.
     
  2. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Yes, Landon is certainly a different type of player than Kirovski is. Just as Stewart is a very different player as compared to Klien. Both those substitutes in yesterday's game changed how the game was played.
     
  3. Soccerholic

    Soccerholic New Member

    Mar 6, 2001
    Mile High
    The pace and intelligent runs of Donovan, Stewart and DMB made the difference between the US being lackluster first half and dangerous in the second.
     
  4. whip

    whip Member

    Aug 5, 2000
    HOUSTON TEXAS
    Difference??????poor choise of words!!

    Donovan and kirovski ??here is no ground to compare, Donovan s a superior player in any position more BALL CONTROL, BETTER PASS, MORE SPEED.....
     
  5. Go2NY

    Go2NY New Member

    Feb 19, 2000
    Croton-on-Hudson NY
    lets include john o'brien among donovan, beasly and stewart

    he got the ball to landon - and could be our 'playmaker' in 2006
     
  6. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    I wasn't doing player comparisons- rather talking about the value of STRETCHING the defense with some blistering pace.
     
  7. socrne1

    socrne1 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Feb 12, 2003
    Chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Could be" I think he will be our playmaker in 2006. He will be our next Reyna
     
  8. CrewToon

    CrewToon Member

    Jun 13, 1999
    Greenbrier Farm
    But will Ajax put JOB in a position to make more plays?
     
  9. Noah Dahl

    Noah Dahl New Member

    Nov 1, 2001
    Pottersville
    *Ancient tribal curse.
     
  10. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Donovan & Adu up front , JOB center mid come WC 2006 , and I think we will be ok and do fine in that WC, we are getting better and better. Bruce is the Man.
     
  11. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    You mean, he'll be hurt 50% of the time and ineffective as goal creator when healthy?

    Sorry, an old battle ... I couldn't resist ... Reyna has done some good things for USA but rarely as what I would term a "playmaker." More like, as a useful 2-way midfielder, sort of a junior grade Edgar Davids or Roy Keane.

    Actually, that describes JOB pretty well, too. JOB already is our next Reyna.

    So far, I like Donovan better as forward than as playmaker. Maybe Freddy Adu, over time? At any rate, I don't yet see a true U.S. playmaker for 2006.
     
  12. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought he was our playmaker in 2002. At least he was in our two big wins.
     
  13. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Expecting JOB to be the USMNT playmaker shows a lack of ambition. Me, while JOB is an excellent left back and an excellent two-way midfielder, is not and never will be a "playmaker" for a team with aspirations of improving upon a quarter-final finish. Maybe it's Donovan, Mathis, Adu, Convey or maybe the guy doesn't exist.

    But Mastroeni/JOB in central midfield is too limited offensively unless Arena uses a wide midfielder like Stewart who is creative and a partial playmaker as well. And hopefully, we can find someone younger than Stewart to play this role.
     
  14. Soccernova78

    Soccernova78 Member

    Mar 16, 2003
    Beyond The Infinite
    From your mouth to God's ears my friend. One can only hope. Although my wish would be to put McBride (hopefully he'll still be effective by then) up with Adu and have JOB and Donovan in the midfield. Man, that would be sweet.
     
  15. Captain10

    Captain10 Member

    Jul 26, 2000
    Marietta, GA
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No ... he's already so much better than that. Reyna never did much more than average for the USMNT...
     
  16. SoccerStarved

    SoccerStarved New Member

    Mar 11, 2002
    Reyna never had good enough players around him until 2002. Reyna was sending great passes to players who couldn't hold the ball. Face it, the U.S. just wasn't skilled enough until this last World Cup where we finally had quality players at most of the positions.

    For 2006 I expect quality at every position with some good depth too.
     
  17. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    Reyna is a great player, but NOT a big goal scorer.So some people underestimate what he brings. As a long time USA fan, I remember a zillion games when the USA had no ability to hold the ball and it looked like a game of hot potato.Reyna can settle things down, make a good smart pass. I do agree though, that he is cautious. At times I wish he were bolder.
     
  18. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anybody that doesn't think Reyna is one of the top two players we've ever produced (Ramos was the other) doesn't know anything about soccer. JOB is very good and may be the next center mid but Reyna was great.

    It remains to be seen if Reyna will be able to play well enough and fast enough to regain his center mid position but if he doesn't, he still can say he's one of the very best we ever produced. He's also getting a little long in the tooth to continue
     
  19. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    though speed was never a big part of his game. His skill and brain have alkways been his big attributes. My guess is he will age well.
     
  20. StillKickin

    StillKickin Member+

    Austin FC
    Dec 17, 2002
    Texas
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I never thought about that. You're absolutely right. I'll look at Reyna in a different light now. I've always thought he didn't do that much for us - but now I've changed my mind.
     
  21. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    Nice to know that a few of us actually know the game of football.......
     
  22. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Oh, the Reyna-was-too-good-for-his-teammates argument.

    Well, OK, I buy it to some extent. Reyna is not a solo style player. Ruud van Nistelrooy's teammates can suck, but he might still take the ball, dribble past 3 guys, and score, as he did vs. Fulham. Ditto for Freddie Adu. That's not Reyna. He needs good players around him to be effective.

    The problem is, this argument is often attached to correlary, the Reyna-didn't-create-a-lot-of-goals-because-his-teammates-sucked argument. Nope, I don't buy. Reyna didn't create a lot of goals because he's just not a create a lot of goals type of guy.

    Let's look at it another way. If you had 10 Reynas + a goalkeeper, you'd have a hell of a team. (OK, you'd need 20 Reynas, because at any one time 10 would be hurt.) That, I'll grant. But if you had 9 hard-working but limited players plus a goalkeeper, you wouldn't pick Reyna as your 10th guy. Better to go with somebody who is more spectacular, who can create more goal-scoring opportunities.

    That's the quarrel with Reyna, not that he wasn't good but that he was miscast and misbilled.
     
  23. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    but the thing to always like about Reyna is that the USA looks less like a chicken running around without a head. We couldn't put 3 passes together in games against good team withut Claudio. Sure, we have speed, but Reyna helped us KEEP the ball, not a bad thing.
     
  24. sch2383

    sch2383 New Member

    Feb 14, 2003
    Northern Virginia
    Assuing that Reyna and JOB are healthy come 06, how would we fit them both in our midfield? Or could we see one of them playing a backline position (JOB at left or Reyna at right)? If everybody is healthy, we will have a huge log jam at midfield with JOB, DMB, Reyna, Pablo, Armas, Olsen, Convey, and whoever else works their way onto the team. Also depending on what happens with the forwards Landon, Mathis, and Adu.
     
  25. striker

    striker Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Misbilled? Perhaps by you.

    Just pay some attention to how our midfield plays (or not play) in the absence of Reyna (and JOB).
     

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