Donovan Cut - is this the end of Landon?

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  1. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Sure. If the team advances deep into July, I'll flip-flop. At this point, we should expect nothing less.

    As Bruce Arena stated, if the US has 23 players better than Donovan then it should win the World Cup.

    But anything less, and I'm always going to have that WHAT IF in the back of my mind.
     
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  2. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Yeah but it was more of the manner of the way it was. Let them exit with grace when it is clear they are not going to make it. Don't make them sit and watch their career end.
     
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  3. Jersey1

    Jersey1 Member

    Oct 8, 2012
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Saw someone saying this is similar to Argentina not bringing Tevez because the coach hates him. But in Tevez's stead Argentina is bringing Aguero and Higuain and, oh yeah, Messi. In place of Donovan we're bringing Brad Davis and Julian Green. I mean come on. And I don't want to rip Davis and Green, it's not their fault and after this team's inevitable failure they're going to be scapegoated which isn't right. Not Green's fault he's not ready. Not Davis's fault he's just not good enough. Their dopey coach has put them in an impossible spot.

    While I don't want to rip Green I will say that promising him a roster spot to switch, which I think we can now say obviously happened, reeks.
     
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  4. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This long term gain is? Remember, you are having to explain how Donovan being on the roster would make the long term worse than it would otherwise be [or there would be no "gain", eh?]
     
  5. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Landon was pretty open about being willing to take a sub role. I doubt that was the issue.
     
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  6. NatsTeamFan

    NatsTeamFan Member

    May 9, 2011
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Yea I agree about Davis. JK's decision to cut Donovan was clearly fueled by some ulterior motive. I just don't understand how people are blaming Green for Donovan's exclusion when it's becoming more and more evident that the players "in-front" of Donovan had very little to do with him actually being cut.
     
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  7. JHickman

    JHickman Member

    Jun 7, 2009
    Southeast
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I dunno, man...maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but things were way past this before the confed cup.

    Dark, dark days then.
     
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  8. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
    NJ/Roma/Napoli
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This post really makes me think.
     
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  9. cthomer5000

    cthomer5000 Member+

    Apr 23, 2007
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    I don't have any problem with the players. I have a problem with Klinsmann's handling of this, and I definitely have a problem if he guaranteed Julian Green (and/or John Brooks) a roster spot in exchange for getting them to choose the U.S.

    I will still be behind the 23 that are in Brazil 100%.
     
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  10. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    That doesn't make sense unless Klinsmann is sacrificing the World Cup. Your statement is unfair to Klinsmann.

    He cut Donovan because he sees it as a short-term gain.
     
  11. Pass-n-Go

    Pass-n-Go Member+

    Jul 5, 2008
    There is no real gain with LD there. You blood in youngsters, seasoned the next cycle's players and the team will have to adjust to the lack of LD.
     
  12. notredamefan83

    Nov 13, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You have a very short memory if you think this is true
     
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  13. RevvedUp10

    RevvedUp10 Member+

    Aug 10, 2010
    Watertown, Ma
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well that's garbage.

    I've been on the record saying that Klinsmann put his job on the line with his picks, but that doesn't mean I'm going to cry about them. If he thinks this is the best "TEAM" we can bring to Brazil awesome. Let's see it.

    But the idea that we can yell at him if it doesn't go right and celebrate if it does go right is trash. Give the guy a damn shot to prove what he can do, then make a judgement.

    And I don't give a damn what Bruce Arena says. He's an idiot. He had his shot with this team and failed miserably. Have the 23 best players isn't the only way to be successful. Sometimes forming the best team is much more important.
     
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  14. flsoccer

    flsoccer Member

    Jul 8, 2007
    JK's credibility is clearly shot as well. All this talk of competing, being in shape, the best guys right now, blah blah blah.... clearly Green was promised a spot and didnt have to compete, or be in better shape than everyone else, or be one of the best players. All he had to do was be just good enough.
     
  15. Pass-n-Go

    Pass-n-Go Member+

    Jul 5, 2008
    I think he is doing it but never ever say it.
     
  16. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    On My Squatty Potty
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, that's you a) not recognizing what a question mark means and b) putting words in my mouth.

    You also fail to understand the definition of "I get the impression" which does not equate to making a "claim".

    You also ignored this:

    I stand by my opinion this is far more about Landon fitting, or rather not fitting with the group than sheer talent. People can disagree of course, but we're also not in training. There's something behind the scenes which smells.

    Which again shows I'm not claiming this is all about entitlement. All you've done is distort my words due to emotion and trolling. Therefor, flagged.
     
  17. Wessoman

    Wessoman Member+

    Sep 26, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know Brad Davis being there really pisses me off, but I want some credible, definitive sources, otherwise, it's just speculation. It's still News and Analysis, ya know?
     
  18. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    It is a little unfair on Klinsmann, but he inflicted it on himself.
     
  19. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    World Cups are every four years, how long do you want?
     
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  20. Android Cat

    Android Cat Member+

    Sep 16, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Doubtful this was anything akin to Eddie Johnson's situation. It could have been that Landon wasn't in form. Eddie Johnson, even when in form, is largely useless in meaningful international games.
     
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  21. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As an ex-American serviceman, and the son of a non-US father, I respect your right to have problems with "these kinds of statements", even if apparently you don't respect my right to have these kinds of statements. Like you, I grew up overseas, and I felt I was American through and through. And I backed up that sentiment with action. Now, what the hell does that have to do with JK pouring in 7 German-Americans, most of whom had played only a light, even non-existent, role in qualifying? Or, even, as in the case of Tim Chandler, had played the USA for a bunch of fools?
    If my father had done such similar to that, I would have been ashamed. Actually, the choice in a sense is very much Donovan vs. Green.
     
  22. soccerusa517

    soccerusa517 Member+

    Jun 23, 2009
    Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There will be no sources unless one of the journos gets one. Maybe Lalas or someone spills the beans in coming days or after they crash out but Klinsmann won't admit it was personal.
     
  23. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 11, 2006
    why is everyone bagging on Green? He is the same age as Landon was in 2002, no?

    Landon was a known youth player, but he was a bloody starter for our WC team.

    It turned out ok. In a way, this is the best way this could have happened. Green takes the mantel.
     
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  24. jmplautz

    jmplautz Member

    Jul 28, 2007
    Madison
    He's a kid. Kind of reminds me of the stories about Kenny Arena circa WC 2006. Apparently he liked Amsterdam, a lot. Stupid, spoiled brat who didn't know well enough to shut up. He may eventually pay a higher price when his father can't include him in team functions anymore because nobody wants him there.
     
  25. Android Cat

    Android Cat Member+

    Sep 16, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I kinda agree with you there. The U.S can't afford to depend on one man any more.
     
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