Domestic Leagues 25-26

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Aug 5, 2025.

  1. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    A red card issued (2nd yellow) in the 42nd minute on a play referees rarely would deem as reckless or a tactical foul 70 yards from goal, knowing the player is already on a caution:


     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Welp. That’s the one that should do it.
     
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  3. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Referee analyst Christina Unkel contradicts herself in the post-game by saying "she still feels the same way" about it being a caution but then says "I don't agree with it after looking at it again" (perhaps I'm misunderstanding her).

    I agree with her about "why someone would put themselves in that position" but no mention that the Inter Milan player certainly does a job of milking it:





    A lot of touching and yelling in the tunnel at halftime with the referee in the middle of it:


     
  4. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    lol at Reo-Coker’s take being “go back under the tunnel where cameras can’t film that”.
     
  5. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Also, does Italy ever suspend players for simulation? I know MLS does it (or at least, has done it in the past) for a simulation that results in a game-changing decision. In cases like this where it’s clear simulation, players should be suspended for a game or two, with escalating punishments for repeat offenders.
     
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  6. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    Decision has already been made at a FIFA/IFAB level (for 26/27), it is said. I think the referee is unlucky here because I'm quite sure he thought it was a reckless treading foul live, like a last-ditch tactical foul, but the replay shows that catagorically was never the case.

    The Italian association wanted to sack this referee by the way, Federico La Penna, a few years ago for expenses misadventures, but an employment court ruled that it wasn't permissible for them to remove him, and he returned having served his suspension. He was very close to being nominated for FIFA around that time (he was actually on the list one year but then switched out at the last minute by the Italian association for internal political reasons not relating to him).
     
  7. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    Never a bad time to throwback to this all-timer from La Penna in the 2018 promotion playoff.

    https://streamff.com/v/9bba6688

    I watched this game and would honestly say that this was one of the worst refereeing performances I've ever seen (even if you have to say that the level of difficulty was extreme). The funny thing is that back then, it has changed now, the two referees promoted from Serie B to A were the two who were given the two legs of the playoff final - so while this performance was probably worthy more of going 'B' to 'C', La Penna went up and started in Serie A the next season. He has improved a lot since then and, in general, I thought the manner in which he handled Inter-Juve yesterday was mostly good.
     
  8. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    An 11th minute red card issued for AL this morning (at 0:57 of video).


     
  9. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
  10. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    What do you think about the call? Live I thought it was a grab - it was a pretty effective dive. I defended the ref based on the angle lack of VAR but some think I’m nuts.
     
  11. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Yes, obviously wrong and that will be subject to review next season.

    As we've seen for 8 years now, you will still have VARs use all kinds mental gymnastics to avoid recommending a review and supporting the on field decision.

    How confident are you that an EPL VAR would recommend a review there? Granted an EPL referee is probably not giving a 2CT there even if it was a clear foul, but that is another story.

    Is it really worth up ending the game even more so we can correct a couple of bad 2CT decisions a year?

    The question is rhetorical because everyone else thinks it is.
     
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  12. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    It's a really convincing dive, especially from the angle the referee had. They showed the RefCam view on the broadcast too - it looked like a foul live, and it looked like a foul on the RefCam. Only the angle from behind showed that it was clearly a flop. Honestly, kind of impressive how convincing it was.
     
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  13. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    And how does it really stop there? I don’t see how 2CT becomes reviewable and that doesn’t expand to all CT being reviewable.
     
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  14. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Ding! Ding! Ding! Of course it will expand.
     
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  15. Barciur

    Barciur Member+

    Apr 25, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland


    This was not given as a penalty in the Polish league. General referee expert says that is correct due to distance and position of the hand being natural. I just want to be 100% sure - is this the correct interpretation here? That's my gut feeling, but I want to be sure :)
     
  16. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
  17. the_phoenix612

    Manchester United
    United States
    Sep 13, 2022
    Houston, TX
    Red card in Galatasaray - Beskitas: https://streamin.me/v/3e4669d9

    A VAR special, I think. Reminds me a lot of the Lloyd Kelly red in the Champions League last week.
     
  18. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. Pat Chewning

    Pat Chewning Member

    Dec 22, 2011
    Beaverton Oregon
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
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  20. Dayton Ref

    Dayton Ref Member+

    May 3, 2012
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I mean the still with the Cruzeiro player looking like he just threw a punch is pretty indicative. on the whole thing.

    My personal favorite is that the goalkeeper gets fouled, grabs his face while rolling around, realizes the culprit is still there, and jumps up to body check/attack the player that fouled him.
     

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