Domestic Leagues 2024-25

Discussion in 'Referee' started by RefIADad, Aug 11, 2024.

  1. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    I get the logic about careless with a bad result. I remember Son doing a clear YC challenge that led to Gomes planting badly and breaking his leg, so Atkinson changed his own call to a red card that then got overturned after the game

    But this type of challenge can go extremely badly, extremely easily. There is no place in the game for seeing an aerial player going for a header while you have no chance to get it so you make no attempt to go up for one and instead stick your shoulder/butt into the player in the air.

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    All the concern about head and neck injuries yet this is not properly legislated. But I assume I’m in the minority here so fair enough
     
  2. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    but not every undercut foul is like that . . .


    My basketball experience and the danger of undercuts there may well affect my view of the play. I would caution thr play in the clip in my games. I think going under a player in the air like that is an action in disregard of the danger and should be cautioned, not merely a bad result.
     
  3. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Two incidents I wanted to bring up

    1. ekstraklasa DOGSO red card, this referee has the fastest, smoothest red card I’ve seen a referee give.

    https://v.redd.it/mnrhv8rv6nkd1

    2. Ligue 1 Lyon-Monaco this week. Frappart gave a player a yellow card at 90+4 for taking a free kick despite her telling him to wait for the whistle. And he ended up getting 2CT in 90+7

    https://streamin.one/v/cb9b6bf5

    I only watched 90'+, so I don't know if he was on a short leash for dissent from the rest of the match, but I don't think I've ever seen that before. Anyone have any thoughts on when you might issue a player a YC for this, and what category it would go under? I assume dissent.
     
  4. weka

    weka Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    One of the best pieces of advices I got from a National Referee Coach was when a imminent DOGSO/SPA situation is happening, have that call already going off in your head "red, red, yellow, yellow, red, red, red, red, etc." so when it happens, you'll be ready.

    But... on the other hand, that guy was butter.
     
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  5. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Meh. Until you can pull the red and signal advantage at the same time you are just a novice. :cool:
     
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  6. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    I do the same, although there is the chance that circumstances change at the moment the actual foul happens and can trick us. And yet it is commonplace to see referees delay and fumble around in their pocket for the card they’re giving out. This guy did it even with his card being in his velcroed shirt pocket. Great stuff
     
  7. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So years and years ago I was an AR for Geiger at Regional finals. While he was dealing with some "kissing and hugging" going on the penalty area I had the sweeper punch the center forward in the back on the head at the midfield stripe. Geiger took his time to sort out the pleasantries and then when things settled down he immediately back-peddled the entire distance to the center circle. He then showed the red and the defender left the field and not a word of dissent by either the player or the bench-area and he actually rolled his eyes at me knowing he got caught. I knew from that moment that Geiger was going places, he was smooth.
     
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  8. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lest we believe only the EPL has problems, the global controversy this week seems to be in La Liga, with the action from Enrick at 1:56 below somehow only getting a yellow and check completed:

     
  10. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
  12. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Mourinho doing Mourinho things, apparently agitated over an offside decision he felt was incorrect, Mourinho places a laptop with a freeze frame image from a tactical camera in front of a sideline camera. The AR signaled the delayed offside and SAOT backed it up.

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/41525966/jose-mourinho-protests-var-puts-laptop-front-cameras

    The highlight is about at 5:17 in the video.




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  13. Alex-Ref

    Alex-Ref Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Nov 13, 2019
    At what point does the referee call encroachment on the defending player (who is almost inside the penalty area right behind the kicker). I understand that there may be no impact, but isn’t the defender being that close inherently impacting the kick?

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  14. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Attaching the Law change for reference, I don't think the intent is for simply *being there* to be enough for the offense to be sanctioned. The kicker is unimpeded and the defender isn't even in his periphery, much less close enough to be a distraction. He's still 6+ yards away at the moment the ball is struck.
     

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  15. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Uhh. No! That is not remotely close to impacting the kick. It’s simply stupid by the defender, because if he gets (or challenges for) a rebound, itks a fresh PK.
     
  16. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    The keeper must want to kill his defenders.
    But incident number two has some great Foul/whistle/greater foul discussion possibilities.
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  17. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
  18. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    Seacoast United
    May 28, 2015
    New Hampshire
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    So this happened over the weekend in Nice-PSG. The ref (Brisard) gave an ordinary foul, and subsequently a YC for dissent to PSG.
     
  19. Well, Dutch fans angry about KNVB decision to tone down the punishment on PSV coach Peter Bosz from 1 match suspension (too little in my opinion) to a suspended 1 match ban for two years.
    He was charged for criticizing (more like abusive language and that in the KNVB's promotional Week of the Referee)) Makkelie during and after the match against Sparta.
    — WG1908⚪ ⚫ (@bertinewil22245) October 18, 2024 KNVB, Bosz and PSV are making a complete fool of themselves here. Good luck to all referees this weekend on the amateur pitches.
    — Chrissepter (@Chrissep2024) October 18, 2024 You don't expect double standards again, coaches have just been suspended because they commented on the referee this season
    — TILBURG 1896 (@1896_tilburg) October 18, 2024 What a shame
    — ferdy (@ferdypoelman) October 18, 2024 So every coach has a free pass to shit about a referee with impunity. The KNVB was #respect
    — JW0418 (@jwboot) October 18, 2024 So another criminal on probation!! Pfff.... What nonsense! Who do they think they are at the #knvb!!! What a organization!!
    — Boris van Rosmalen (@BvRosmalen1986) October 18, 2024 Bosz set a very derogatory tone towards Makkelie. But gets away with it again
    — Kroes Control ❌❌❌ (@RefereeHonest) October 18, 2024 In amateur football, you get suspended for less
     
  20. weka

    weka Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    #45 weka, Oct 20, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2024
    Not a league perse but watching the 2024 U17 World Cup and I see this being flagged as a goal from the AR. The Ugandan CR gives the goal and the England manager immediately requests a video review per the new Football Video Support being trialed.[1]

    * If I had to guess, the manager would have probably done a request regardless, probably. But to have the AR flag it while that far away and you're sure?

    [1] https://inside.fifa.com/technical/football-technology/news/what-is-football-video-support

    34 - Mexico manager initiates their own video review for a penalty for which the CR denies and sticks with no call on the field. I agree. Not much there. I think the CR is announcing it to the stadium? Because the Mexican coach is still questioning if there's a penalty so either mechanics are not there or there's a miscommunication.
     

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  21. gold4278

    gold4278 Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Penultimate weekend of Chinese Super League had many foreign refs in the "important games". MAKHADMEH (JOR), HATTAB (SYR), and ALJAAFARI (SGP) were the foreign refs utilized. This is the first time they have done so since pre-Covid.
     
  22. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd




    Fastest red card ever?

    It looks like it was given on the field live which is impressive.

    Really curious how that would be dealt with in CL match, EPL or MLS.

    I think there is enough wiggle room to save the elbow hit the chest instead of neck/yellow to justify no red card.
     
  23. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    There was some controversy in France after this red card in the 20th minute of the big match Marseille vs PSG.

    Letexier said in an interview after the match that, before giving the red card, he looked at the injury of the cleat marks on Marquinos’s torso when the player lifted his t-shirt, and that this evidence confirmed his real-time perception that the challenge endangered Marquino’s safety. He said that both his real-time perception of the challenge and the visible consequence of the challenge equally contributed to his decision to send off Harit.

     
  24. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Looks like a great send-off - but difficult to see from the stands. Some fans may be upset, but I don't see a controversy. It was proper.
     

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