Domestic Leagues 2023-2024 Referee Discussion [Rs]

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  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #351 MassachusettsRef, Aug 5, 2024
    You're calling this a foul against the attacker? Okay.

    What's the competition here? Preseason between Polish teams?

    I'm most interested in what appear to be the relatively muted reactions from the defenders. One guy looks surprised but others don't. What I'm getting at is whether or not this is under the auspices of a competition that just said "we're going to crack down on hits to the head by the goalkeeper" or not. Sort of like the season in MLS a few years back where late challenges to the goalkeeper's head on the floor were red cards. Because if this is based on a specific instruction like that, okay.

    Otherwise, I don't see it as a foul. One player is legally trying to play it with his head and the other is legally trying to play it with his hands. They come together and the attacker admittedly takes the brunt of the pain but after/as the goalkeeper clears it cleanly. If this was two opponents doing the exact same thing with their legs for a loose ball, we'd say the defender (goalkeeper) won the ball and then there was a coming together. I don't think we can suddenly say it's a foul because it involves a punch. Unless, of course, there is an instruction to that effect OR you really believe he's recklessly punched at the ball... and I don't see that.
     
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  2. soccerref69420

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    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    #352 soccerref69420, Aug 5, 2024
    I really don’t see how this is a foul. Sometimes goalkeepers get away with punching players in the head going to clear a ball but that’s not this at all. To me this is GK going up fairly, punching the ball away, then the attackers head makes contact with the GK’s forearms which is expected contact from a keeper reaching over an attackers head to fairly clear a ball. And it isn’t like the GK came in full speed arms and fists outstretched pointed directly at the attacker ahead so he hits the ball then obliterates the head afterward which will likely still be a foul.

    But as usual with these situations, it sucks to see a professional referee call this and no review is made so now I wonder if this is actually supposed to be called a foul
     
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  3. Barciur

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    Apr 25, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    #353 Barciur, Aug 5, 2024
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    this actually is a third round of the Polish top division. So this call on the field has been cleared by VAR and we are not in the first match day either.

    Unfortunately I do not have the insight into what kind of instructions have been given in Poland before this season so I am not sure, but there I was at this game in person and it happened basically in front of me and yes, there were hardly any protests - it was completely accepted.

    There have been some talk in the media about this that perhaps this was not a correct call but it did not at all rise to any level of a scandal or anything like that either.
     
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  4. JasonMa

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    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #354 JasonMa, Sep 20, 2024
    There doesn't seem to be a Domestic Leagues 2024-2025 thread so I'll put this here.

    Ever since I saw Paris FC (not PSG) play last winter I get updates on their game. I don't know what's going on in their game with SC Bastia today but so far I've gotten:

    A 10th minute goal for Paris
    A 21st minute goal for Bastia
    A 35th minute goal for Bastia
    A 48th minute red card for Bastia
    A 52nd minute red card for Paris
    End of first half after 4 minutes of stoppage were signaled
    A 62nd minute second yellow/red card for Paris

    There were 4 yellows in the first half as well (including the first of the double yellow-red combo)

    It is currently the 68th minute and I'm wondering what the odds are the game finishes 8v9 or something.
     
  5. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #355 JasonMa, Sep 20, 2024
    Turns out there were only 2 more yellows the rest of the way. Still, 7 yellows and 3 reds (including a double yellow/red).
     
  6. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    Jan 5, 2006
    Dragon's den, Rotterdam Netherlands
    #356 feyenoordsoccerfan, Sep 23, 2024
  7. Sport Billy

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    May 25, 2006
    #357 Sport Billy, Sep 23, 2024
    It looks correct.
    Hands were being pulled in and defender was turning away from the ball.
    It only hits him because the distance is so short.
    He was not making himself bigger.
     
  8. Sport Billy

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    May 25, 2006
    #358 Sport Billy, Sep 23, 2024
    I know this is off-topic, but the French League always makes me chuckle.
    IMG_4761.jpeg
     
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  9. weka

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    Dec 9, 2011
    #359 weka, Sep 23, 2024
  10. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    #360 soccerref69420, Sep 24, 2024
    Hell yeah, nice catch billy. You’re good for something around here
     
  11. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #361 ManiacalClown, Sep 24, 2024
    Meanwhile, Sky switched Doncaster Rover's abbreviation from "DON" to "DR" when they visited Harrogate earlier this year for some unknown reason.
     
  12. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    Jan 5, 2006
    Dragon's den, Rotterdam Netherlands
    #362 feyenoordsoccerfan, Sep 24, 2024
  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #363 MassachusettsRef, Sep 25, 2024
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