Would say his national team career is in danger to be underrated (what he did outside 2010 and 2014) and club career somewhat overrated. Looking at his match ratings, he has even more like those Barca 2013 performances for the national team as in the crucial Champions League games. Would say he received two of his four 'World Class' ratings on the back of his national team displays in 2010 and 2014 (even though he didn't play everything) rather than getting dismantled with 3-0 by Dortmund and 4-0 by Real Madrid in the 2nd half of the 2013-14 season. Although in e.g. Perarnau his books Lahm comes out much better (as does Robben, about who it's said he was the only one to reach his 'normal' level against Real Madrid in 2014; just as in other games of equal/superior opponents with own team not having the clear upper hand) than Schweinsteiger, who didn't fit as well in Guardiola his plans, couldn't offer the control and patience he wanted.
Although he is just like Zidane a proper legend (but really better as a full-back imho), this remains a classic: The legendary Paolo Maldini once said: "If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake." Good perception certainly allows defenders to position better and stay ahead of attackers.Great example here by DeVrij, who averages only 1.2 tackles per game in Serie A. pic.twitter.com/tHCKmVfH66— Be Your Best (@BeYourBest_pro) June 24, 2020 Given no one was even collecting data during large parts of Maldini's career, this is one of those made up stats like Zidane never being caught offside.FWIW, at World Cup (23 games) he averaged 3.9 tackles/match.In Serie A from 2004 to 2009, it was 2.5 per game. https://t.co/Jup0EVlllz— Orbinho (@Orbinho) May 25, 2019 One can add 2-3 fouls per match to this number as well (btw, more active and tackling defenders are not necessarily worse; some of the best like Koulibaly and VvD have interchanged both styles in their career depending on club and partner, while maintaining-or-not a very low fouls conceded count).
Marco Van basten Serie A 1990/91 26/27 years old Peak Went on a barren streak of scoring 1 non penalty goal+1 assist in 11 Serie A matches https://www.transfermarkt.com/marco-van-basten/leistungsdaten/spieler/74471/plus/0?saison=1990 Cristiano Ronaldo EPL 2021/2022 36/37 years old Decline Went on a barren streak of scoring 1 non penalty goal+1 assist in 9 premier league matches https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cri...21&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id= One barren streak is perceived as being part of a legendary peak The other is universally perceived as being part of a decline(and he is still criticised for this)
There's been a number of very high profile retirees since then. Among the strikers, how do you think RvP, Eto'o, Aguero, David Villa, Torres, and Rooney will be compared to each other? I think names like Xavi and Robben are pretty safe. They have so many achievements, big club fans backing, and highlight reels to keep them going for a long time. I think someone like Sneijder might be more vulnerable, and also Daniele De Rossi. There is probably a case to be made that Sneijder could be overhyped at times, with some calling him to be the worthy winner of the 2010 BDO. How much that will do for his legacy remains to be seen. Even Schweinsteiger could be in danger since his latter years with Man Utd and in the US probably eroded some of his fonder memories. There is an interesting rivalry there between Cole and Evra. I much prefer the former, but can see why others would rate the latter more highly. I think Cole is in a safer position though. Having played for both Arsenal and Chelsea, the EPL media will keep him relevant for a long time. Lastly, Cech and Casillas. I think the latter is very safe. His resume is impeccable, and there might even be a possibility that he could get overrated with time. No idea how Cech will be perceived, honestly. Could easily see him being a bit forgotten 10 years from now, but his Chelsea/EPL connection is so strong, it should provide him some immunity.
Cristiano Ronaldo 2015: goalscoring peak, age 30, 1 non-penalty goal, 2 assists in 7 games check screen size online La liga 2014/15 - 2,66 goals per game Serie A 1990/91 - 2,29 goals per game Scoring rate: Real Madrid 2014/15 - 3,11 goals per game Milan 1990/91 - 1,36 goals per game Van Basten played in a low scoring Serie A era for the team that scores at the rate of 1,36 goals per game. Only 4th best goalscoring team that season, while Ronaldo, in his most impressive goalscoring season of all time, played in a substantially more goalscoring la liga for a superteam that vastly exceeds relative offensive power of Milan that season.
His Goalscoring peak was in 2015? He hasn't been at a ATG level since January 2015 except in short periods(the last third of 2016/17 and 2017/18) 2015(the calender year) was just normal world world class and far removed from his peak
These types of strikers appear in every generation Before In 2000-2005 there was Christian vieri,Roy makaay,Ruud van nistelrooy,andriy shevchenco and Raul They marked a generation as one of the best in their position but that's it. They are not underrated or overrated Everyone knows who they are and what they achieved
I meant that season, 2014/15 in which he scored 61 goals in 54 games. Literally the highest season tally of his career and the best goal per game ratio. As you showed 25 goals in first 14 la liga games in 2014/15 is insane. His 2015/16 was also amazing, especially if I remember correctly, the second part of the la liga campaign with some of the most memorable performances like 4 goals vs Celta somewhere around february 2016.. he also scored 5 goals against granada in October of 2015 or something like that.. the point is that that 7 game period in which he scored 1 non penalty goal and gave 2 assists is during his goalscoring prime.
I think with time, one or two of them do gets more spotlight than others, justifiably so or not. From that list, I think it's clear Shevchenko and Raul are rated the most highly, followed by Ruud. Honestly, I don't think RvP or Torres will be remembered too well. The former was probably too injury prone and the latter had too many post-Liverpool seasons that were underwhelming. Eto'o will probably have the best standing of that list. I'm most interested in the Aguero vs Rooney talk 10 years from now. Could swing either way. I can definitely see Aguero being pushed down the rankings for not being able to "step up" for NT and in the UCL.
Wayne Rooney 2002-2012 did too much damage at all levels in club football to be forgotten in a hurry I envisage he'll be remembered fondly by the generation who saw him live and the one that follows them Sergio agueros legacy is essentially tied to one moment in 2011/12(his last minute goal vs QPR) QPR have played 2 premier league campaigns in the 21st century In 2011/12 they were relegated In 2014/15 they were relegated Aguero scored the goal in extra time to win the premier league against Manchester United But he didn't score the goal against Manchester United It was against QPR on the final day of the season who literally had nothing to play for except 'professional pride' If we delve deeper Aguero scored 21 non penalty league goals only once in his career (2014/15) Rooney has 2 seasons(2009/10 and 2011/12) Aguero had only 2 seasons with 10 league assists(Rooney has 5) Aguero never scored in a champions league final or FA cup final Wayne Rooney scored in 2 FA cup finals vs elite versions of Arsenal and Chelsea And in a champions league final vs arguably the best ever version of FC Barcelona Wayne Rooney literally has assists or goals in the CL KO stages against Real Madrid Barcelona A.C. Milan Inter Milan Chelsea Roma Arsenal He did this to your team at 16 years old I could list 10 iconic moments of his career that will stand the test of time Agree on Fernando Torres RVP wasn't a real CF until the last portion of his career His profile is that of a Forward IMO These 3 players reached a level Aguero simply didn't reach Cases could also be made for Robert lewandowski,Luis Suarez,Zlatan ibrahimovic,Edison Cavani,Radamel falcao,David villa and Karim Benzema Possibly even Harry kane Even peak di natale playing for udinese was arguably more impressive then any version of Aguero https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/ckHUAuIzDEeDFjtk0gebfg/Show/Europe-All-Star-XI-for-Season-201011 He is a great name to start with when you talk about forgotten great players In short Aguero was a great player but not unique within the context of his era He scored alot of league goals for a overpowered Manchester City team at a time the premier league was a distant second best to la liga Premier league teams were routinely humiliated by la liga teams for the vast majority of Agueros time in England That's my take at least
I think the reverse logic will be at play though. That moment against QPR does A LOT for his legacy, I think. And five years from now, once the 10-year-olds turn 15, they'll see his goalscoring record, including a very impressive GPG, and they might overrate him. On the other hand, his lack of UCL and NT success might also play against him in the future. It's hard to tell.