Do you want to see Bonds break the home run record?

Go Barry, Go!

 

No true baseball fan wants it. I get that some SF fans have blind spots--fine. But there's no doubt the record will be tainted until ARod/Pujols come along and clean it.

 

It's gonna happen. Get used to it. He'll be in the hall of fame because he deserves it and he won't have any asterisks next to his name. He's part of a ********ed up league that is awash in all sorts of mis-doings and the idea that he's some great stain that's ruining an otherwise upstanding sport is just ridiculous and naive. The only difference between him and most players out there is that he's much, MUCH better than them (or was for most of his career).

 

Yea, because professional baseball has been so clean and pure up until now.

 

Wow. Perhaps the silliest statement ever uttered on Big Soccer.

Congrats.

 

The saddest thing about Bonds is that he was arguably the most talented all around player without cheating(him or Griffey), but it wasn't good enough for him.

I also think it's extremely naive to think all of baseball is dirty, all the all stars are, and it makes it somehow ok for barry.

He is a hall of famer, but do I want him to break one of the sports greatest records? Hell no.

In the end who cares, he'll be justifiably remembered more for the controversy and cheating then for how great he was. Could have been the greatest LF ever, and a minority probably think he is, but the majority will always consider him a cheat.

 

Thanks!

Now go defend OJ. And Pete Rose never bet on baseball.

 

Go to the Politics Board. There's all kinds of stupid, silly crap written on there every minute.

 

He knows. He's just being really unclever in his put-downs.

 

Hi! Real baseball fan here.

I'd like to see Bonds hit number 756. It's a record; it's made to be broken. Plus: you say "Steroids", and I say "Integration". And last I remember, no one asked to put an asterix by any of Ruth's records just 'cause he didn't have to hit Satchel Paige or pitch to Cool Papa Bell. Of course Bonds is a self-important jerk. So, was the stolen base record "tainted" during the decades that Ty Cobb held it? And Bonds may or may not have lied to the public. Too bad that Baseball took 500 hits away from Pete Rose so he'd never touch Hank Aaron or Ty Cobb. Oh, wait.

Baseball records are too important for this conversation. Pete Rose hit safely 4,256 times, and nothing in the world is going to change that. Likewise Barry Bonds. Someday he's going to retire with 775-800 home runs. And no one can challenge that, 'cause in some box of official scorer's sheets somewhere, one can find that many little pencil diamonds with the letters "HR" inside next to Bonds's name. And at the end of the day, that's all that matters.

 

Not to dump on the extraordinary talents of Satchel or Cool Papa, but they didn't face the likes of Stan Musial or Bob Feller, either. Nor did they play in a league that was interested in maintaining verifiable records. So many of their alleged accomplishments are the stuff of legend, not necessarily fact.

Anyway, I don't believe any of that pertains to the current pros and cons concerning people's feelings about Bonds' breaking the home run record. He'll have the record with no asterisk--the same as he has the single season mark with no asterisk.

And for what it's worth, I think Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame for what he did on the field. I'm old enough to have remembered him during practically his entire playing career. I was watching on TV when he destroyed Ray Fosse at home plate during the All-Star Game. A really big deal at the time which is still talked about and came to personify Rose. He was a great player.

 

I forgot to add the caveat that you CAN be a true baseball fan and want Bonds to break the record IF you're completely clueless about the mountain of evidence against him.

The guy cheated. Hardcore. This isn't a Lance Armstrong "hearsay" case. They've got his freaking drug regimen on file, for chrissakes. They've got his injestion calendar, eye witnesses, it's a slam dunk. Not to mention his joke of a bodily transformation in the past decade.

Again. You can be a true baseball fan and just selectively choose to be silly/naive about Bonds' steriods use, I guess.



In any case, this is just message board banter. He IS going to break the record, after all, no matter what anyone "wants" or not. It's not going to ruin my day when he does, though I'll probably get annoyed at ESPN for covering it like it's some sort of remotely interesting event. Especially if they cut away from a real ball game I'm watching like they did last year.

 

umm.. it doesn't work like that. I think being a juiced hitter helps out a lot more than being a juiced pitcher or a juiced fielder. I could be wrong. I don't know enough about baseball to say for sure, but you simply can't make the blanket statement that you just did.

It's like saying steroids would help Ronaldinho's game as much as it would help a Ukrainian weightlifter.

 

That assumes every pitcher and every single hitter are juiced, lofty assumptions.

 

I don't think ANYONE knows enough about the effects of all performance enhancements to ASSUME that they balance each other out for all the different athletes playing different positions and playing a different style.

POSITION OF PLAYERS:
But I think its safe to say, there simply are no drugs that benefit your fielding in baseball as much as Bonds' drugs help his hitting. So right there, all those players who are known as "defensive" players are at a disadvantage -- even if they are juiced.

PLAYING STYLES:
Are you saying that Tim Wakefield juiced helps him as much as Roger Clemens when on steroids??

That's the lame reason everyone uses to justify them watching a sport which has become a farce.

Nobody disputes that Bonds without steroids is gifted. But it gives you that extra little edge which proves critical when playing against other gifted athletes.

Again, a silly blanket statement. Hitting a baseball is tougher than curling a 25-yard free-kick in the top corner of the net? You simply can't say that.

The only thing we know for sure is that more people play soccer than play baseball, meaning its actually easier to get to the top of the baseball world than the soccer world.

 

Good percentage doesnt excuse it.
There's a big difference between 40 and 73
Still no testing for HGH btw.

Bonds is obciously gifted, Ive mentioned that, he didnt need to juice, he did, and it certainly lifted his power numbers a great deal, how old was he when he hit 73? 37?