Diversity at its best: Team France

triplesevn · Jun 23, 2010

I was digging around a few other sites today and came along this. I thought it was interesting. I updated a few items but not much. Not that any of this should matter, it is interesting to see how playing for your country doesn't always have the same meaning. I personally believe if you are brought up with in the country, than your of that countries origins although arguments have been made that many "foreigners" refuse to adapt to the countries cultures and thus they are not true representations of that country. You decide.

Starting 11 for minimum 2 matches;

Hugo Lloris - Nice, France (2010 World Cup Team)
Yoann Gourcuff - Ploemeur, France (2010 World Cup Team)
Abou Diaby - Paris, France by way of Cote d'Ivoire (2010 World Cup Team)
Nicolas Anelka - Versailles, France (2010 World Cup Team)
Franck Ribéry - Boulogne-sur-Mer, France (2010 World Cup Team)
Bacary Sagna - Sens, France by way of Senegal (2010 World Cup Team)
Sidney Govou - Le Puy-en-Velay, France by way of Beninese (2010 World Cup)
Jérémy Toulalan - Nantes, France (2010 World Cup Team)
William Gallas - Asnières-sur-Seine, France (2010 World Cup Team)
Patrice Evra - Dakar, Senegal (2010 World Cup Team)
Éric Abidal - Lyon, France by way of Martinique (2010 World Cup Team)

5 of 11 Starters of African or French Territory Descent

Either Subbed in or Started One match minimum;

Mathieu Valbuena - Bruges, France by way of Spain (2010 World Cup Team)
Andre-Pierre Gignac - Martigues, France (2010 World Cup Team)
Djibril Cissé - Arles, France by way of Cote d'Ivoire (2010 World Cup Team)
Gaël Clichy - Toulouse, France (2010 World Cup Team)
Alou Diarra - Villepinte, France by way of Mali (2010 World Cup Team)
Sébastien Squillaci - Toulon, France (2010 World Cup Team)
Thierry Henry - Paris, France (2010 World Cup Team)
Florent Malouda - Cayenne, French Guiana, France (2010 World Cup Team)

4 of 8 Subs of African or French Territory Descent

Road the bench entire World Cup;

Cedric Carrasso - Avignon, France (2010 World Cup Team)
Steve Mandanda - Kinshasa, DR Congo (2010 World Cup Team)
Lassana Diarra - Paris, France (2010 World Cup Team but Injured)
Marc Planus - Bordeaux, France (2010 World Cup Team)
Anthony Réveillère - Doué-la-Fontaine, France (2010 World Cup Team)

1 of 5 Subs not used of African Descent

Total number of players not natural to France; 10
Total number of players natural to France; 13

One time Call Ups or Considerations;

Patrick Vieira - Dakar, Senegal
Samir Nasri - Marseille, France of Algerian Heritage
Hatem Ben Arfa - Clamart, France by way of Tunisa
Jean-Alain Boumsong - Douala, Cameroon
Mikaël Silvestre - Chambray-les-Tours, France (Father from Guadeloupe)
Rio Antonio Mavuba - Born at Sea
Frédéric Piquionne - Nouméa, New Caledonia
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Mickaël Landreau - Machecoul, France
Karim Benzema - Lyon, France
François Clerc - Bourg-en-Bresse, France
Jérôme Rothen - Paris, France
Sebastien Frey - Thonon-les-Bains, France
Mathieu Flamini - Marseille, France
Ulrich Ramé - Nantes, France
David Trezeguet - Rouen, France
Teddy Richert - Avignon, France
Grégory Coupet - Le Puy-en-Velay, France
Julien Rodriguez - Beziers, France
Jonathan Zebina - Paris, France
Julien Escudé - Chartres, France
Philippe Mexès - Toulouse, France
Gaël Givet - Arles, France
Jérémy Mathieu - Luxeuil-les-Bains, France
Julien Faubert - Le Havre, France
Jimmy Briand - Vitry-sur-Seine, France
Louis Saha - Paris, France
Sylvain Wiltord - Neuilly-sur-Marne, France

Note: This list is of current footballers available to the FFF today. Not the past.

guignol · Jun 23, 2010

triplesevn said: ↑

Not that any of this should matter, it is interesting to see how playing for your country doesn't always have the same meaning. I personally believe if you are brought up with in the country, than your of that countries origins although arguments have been made that many "foreigners" refuse to adapt to the countries cultures and thus they are not true representations of that country. You decide..
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oh, i decided long ago... that diatribe like this is nothing more nor less than pure and uttter b*****ks.

just what torch are you trying to carry? certainly not one that does BS or yourself any credit.

just what is this by way of you're on about? besides its odor of nationalism and anti-immigration, the distinction is both limiting and arbitrary, viz:

Éric Abidal - Lyon, France by way of Martinique...

but no mention that Henry's, Gallas', Clichy's and Anelka's parents also came from the Antilles... nor that Martinique and Gaudeloupe have been Départments longer than Alaska and Hawaii have been US states.

the same inaccuracies for by way of Mali, which concerns not only Alou but both Diarras, by way of Spain (Lloris and Carrasso as well as Valbuena and Domenech more than any of these). why not Squillacci by way of Italy?

even more important is the tenuousness of trying to equate origin with adaptation. consider Gourcuff, Ribéry and Govou.

Gourcuff is Breton. to one extent or another ranging from a taste for local folklore to out and out call for independance Bretons consider themselves seperate from France proper. Ribéry comes from the gritty cités of Boulogne-sur-Mer. in his social and educational background, his way of talking and acting, his choice of religion, he is one of the least "french" of the 23. Govou (by way of Beninese [sic]) grew up in the bucolic Haute-Loire, did his first communion, got his bac S... for all intents and purposes other than his negritude the perfect offspring of the French provincial bourgeoisie.

in one way perhaps this is all water to your mill. but primarily it points out you don't really know what you're talking about.

CopaMundial · Jun 23, 2010

triplesevn said: ↑

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That's a lot of effort to put into something that doesn't really matter.

triplesevn · Jun 23, 2010

guignol said: ↑

oh, i decided long ago... that diatribe like this is nothing more nor less than pure and uttter b*****ks.

just what torch are you trying to carry? certainly not one that does BS or yourself any credit.

just what is this by way of you're on about? besides its odor of nationalism and anti-immigration, the distinction is both limiting and arbitrary, viz:

Éric Abidal - Lyon, France by way of Martinique...

but no mention that Henry's, Gallas', Clichy's and Anelka's parents also came from the Antilles... nor that Martinique and Gaudeloupe have been Départments longer than Alaska and Hawaii have been US states.

the same inaccuracies for by way of Mali, which concerns not only Alou but both Diarras, by way of Spain (Lloris and Carrasso as well as Valbuena and Domenech more than any of these). why not Squillacci by way of Italy?

even more important is the tenuousness of trying to equate origin with adaptation. consider Gourcuff, Ribéry and Govou.

Gourcuff is Breton. to one extent or another ranging from a taste for local folklore to out and out call for independance Bretons consider themselves seperate from France proper. Ribéry comes from the gritty cités of Boulogne-sur-Mer. in his social and educational background, his way of talking and acting, his choice of religion, he is one of the least "french" of the 23. Govou (by way of Beninese [sic]) grew up in the bucolic Haute-Loire, did his first communion, got his bac S... for all intents and purposes other than his negritude the perfect offspring of the French provincial bourgeoisie.

in one way perhaps this is all water to your mill. but primarily it points out you don't really know what you're talking about.
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I guess your ability to read and understand English is lacking. Quote from myself, "I was digging around a few other sites today and came along this. I thought it was interesting. I updated a few items but not much. Not that any of this should matter".

Which part of I found this on another site did you not understand? I don't know what "By way of" means other then maybe it means their orgins are from there???

And, if you read further down, I said I believe if your raised in the country you now play for, I'm for that. What I don't believe in are players who are from another country but use their Parents nationality to get into their origins just so they can play instead of bench ride. Ala Freddy Kanote I believe. Otherwise, having the National teams are worthless and are nothing more than club teams.

There is all this talk about the French Team not being French so I wanted to see for myself what the truth was and this is what I came accross. I did a little research to verify some of it and that's it. I am arguing FOR the team, not against it. Your anger seems to have gotten the best of you because you either didn't read the post or can't read/understand English.

Caesar · Jun 23, 2010

Elaborate, but still the same old 'ooo your French team isn't French' trolling.

Thread closed.