News: Disparity in judging posters needs to be addressed.

Discussion in 'Customer Service' started by Rebaño_Sagrado, Oct 21, 2009.

  1. Otaku

    Otaku Member+

    Dec 9, 2003
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I wouldn't call trolling after the loss of 02 an "exchange of ideas."

    How about posters claiming they would troll the Mexico forum if the US had won in Aug. 12th?

    Or how about the WCQ in February? When the US won a fan made a thread to troll IN the Mexico forum which was closed by the mods.

    other threads
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1096827
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1096828
     
  2. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Is it really necessary? Aren't most of us adults who understand sometimes strict interpretation of well defined rules is sometimes worse than managing a situation?

    I was moderator (with AndyB) of Business and Media back in the day when Oliver Tse was a controversial poster. 90% of his posts were great, sometimes including information that virtually no other poster could provide. 5% were borderline, and the rest were either baiting or taking the bait. Most of the time, he was responding. His appearance had become like ringing the bell for Pavlov's dogs. Many normally sane members of BigSoccer - several moderators in good standing - behaved like a pack of deranged loonies. They posted links to "go get him" in community threads in FFA.

    In the end, after long discussion in the mod forum, it was decided that it was easier to ban Oliver than start yellow and red carding a score of other posters (including some moderators).

    Yeah, Oliver is still here - but if he started posting under his own name or as SoccerTV, I'm guessing you'd see the shit hit the fan yet again. Even if he, himself, posted nothing inappropriate. His overt presence "would immediately create a tremendous overreaction".

    It's not always nice and simple. Do some mods abuse/misuse/misunderstand their authority? Yes. Is it an epidemic? No.

    Do some bloggers overstep the bounds of taste and/or decorum? Yes. Is it an ongoing problem? I don't think so.

    Bill's mandate is to provoke a reaction. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. We've all made a mistake in speaking or writing at some time. I'm guessing every last one of us has behaved inappropriately in word or deed at some point.

    We can call for a lynching party, screaming and hollering all the way. Sometimes, in the heat of the moment, we don't fully comprehend what we are writing.

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377231

    Then again, some folks are determined to play the victim and are looking for any excuse to cry foul.
     
  3. TallTowerMan

    TallTowerMan Member+

    Apr 8, 2007
    SoCal
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    This....
    Just quoting Sid about different standards for regulars (and proceeding to blast his Moderation of the forum) gives the impression that you are the one with different standards with respect to the Moderation of the Mexico Forum.

    Where, may I ask, is your outrage of the Moderation of the Crew Forum....or any number (I dare say most if not all) of the forums that treat their regulars differently?
     
  4. TallTowerMan

    TallTowerMan Member+

    Apr 8, 2007
    SoCal
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    I pointed out a technical issue with the challenge that you gave someone. Not sure how you have come to such a conclusion.

    To me, calling someone a "liar" is a serious charge and you had better have strong evidence to back yourself up.
     
  5. Otaku

    Otaku Member+

    Dec 9, 2003
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    [​IMG]
     
  6. Rebaño_Sagrado

    Rebaño_Sagrado Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Home
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Why are you discussing a topic that you have neither the motivation nor desire to inform yourself about to be able to discuss honestly and thoroughly to get to find an adequate solution for all parties involved?

    You should lose your moderator status for trolling this thread.
     
  7. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    And you should come down off the cross you've nailed yourself to.
     
  8. Rebaño_Sagrado

    Rebaño_Sagrado Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Home
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I get a better view of the pitch there.
     
  9. Perndog2006

    Perndog2006 Member+

    Jul 24, 2006
    Nery Nut Ryder
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    you gave me a yellow card for this?

    I guess your finger has been itchy with trigger happiness no?

    :rolleyes:
     
  10. Perndog2006

    Perndog2006 Member+

    Jul 24, 2006
    Nery Nut Ryder
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    talk about hypersensitivity :D
     
  11. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Um - can all the mods stop posting in this thread please? This isn't a mod Rivalry thread - and if you are just here to fight some battle out and not seek to find resolution, why are you a moderator?
     
  12. Otaku

    Otaku Member+

    Dec 9, 2003
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    looks like this conversation is going behind closed doors :(
     
  13. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just got a PM and I couldn't believe that this crap is still going on.

    Christ almighty, some of you absolutely live for phony self righteous outrage. What a complete crock. You talk about some of this stuff as if it was actually real. Incredible.

    When I decide to become a "racist" (and that term has been so badly abused that it is almost totally devoid of rational meaning any more) I promise I'll let you know. How many of you little girls have spent time working for the Southern Poverty Law Center or been a regional administrator for Klan Watch? How many of you have had the crap kicked out of them by the cops in Chicago for refusing to obey and order to disburse during an anti-Klan demonstration.

    When you have, you'll have earned the right to talk to me. Until then you're just keyboard jockey assholes, sitting on your asses someplace spouting ignorant crap you know nothing about. What a bunch of clowns.

    You know nothing. Go watch your TV sets and talk about how enlightened you are as you cruise the internet looking for validation for your ignorance.

    What a bunch of whiny little infants. You need to stop skipping "juicebox and nap" time.
     
  14. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As if you have the slightest interest in "a solution". Forgive me while I laugh my ass off.

    Oh Oh oh my, some brainless twit called me a "racist". I guess I'd better kill myself.

    What a pile of crap.
     
  15. Narc83

    Narc83 Member+

    Jul 21, 2007
    Phoenix
    Don't be obtuse, most of the US fans that come to the mexico forum are not there to engage in dialogue; they are there to "rub it in" and basically amuse themselves by pissing off mexicans. Most of those "US fans" are basically little kids that want to throw more shit at us and then play dumb when people tell them to gtfo

    reading a lot of the bs in the US section is annoying and it nice knowing that in the Mexican forum we won't have to hear about how dirty and unsportman like Mexican players and fans are. Nothing exist in a vaccum and its annoying having to listen to so many us fans pretending that their shit doesn't stink. Poor little innocent have no idea why those angry mexicans are always being so sensitive and hostile.

    Being a mod doesn't preclude a poster from flaming or being a dick.

    Note: Most mods tend to be more restrained than ordinary posters and i've yet to come accross any mod that has posted anything that i consider to be "trolling." However i have come across a certain infraction happy mod that considers me a "sock"; i try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and only complain if they "stalk me."

    Most of the time it isn't constructive commentary that they are interested in, they are mostly there to taunt a "rival." However, i do agree that people are way to quick to pull out their "you are a troll" card; if you call someone a troll you should have the common courtesy to explain why they are "trolling"

    Note: every mod has their own definition and its annoying when some of them refuse to define the damn term and instead pretend that its common knowledge.

    I'm curious what all the hoopla is about, i can't seem to find the offending post by bill archer. I find most of his blog entries too boring to bother reading them all. Calling Mexicans day labors is irritating and ignorant but i don't find it to be particularly galling; if he said that we are only suited to physical labor because we are too stupid to do anything else, that would be an entirely different animal. The context of the post is important to consider because sometime there exist too much ambiguity to easily justify a charge of "troll/flaming/racism."

    weak sauce...

    Word of the day "exaggeration": "kicking a Panamanian player off the field" roflmao that is absurd, he stupidly stuck out his foot and barely grazed the panama player. It was a retarded thing to do but pretending that he viciously kicked a panamanian player into the stands is a perfect example why US fans are meet with such hostility.

    Second word of the day "flaming": Pretending that Mexican fans on bigsoccer are responsible for the drunken stupidity of fans in attendance. Fans throwing shit on the field is deplorable but is not limited to Mexican fans. If you want to rant at the "dirty Mexican" do so in the US forum not in the Mexican boards. Yes, I'm quite certain that most us mods would immediately shut down such a blatant attempt at trolling. Not sure why you think you should be allowed to troll on the Mexican boards.

    This is a typical charge from stupid us fans, you imply that Mexican fans are "dirty/violent" and that throwing shit is unique to the Mexican character. You are making a serious charge and you need to back up your accusation of mexican fans throwing "bottles" and being so dangerous that "riot police" are required with links to news sources.

    phrase of the day "full of shit": pahleez like your only trying to discuss ways of improving the game. This is a perfect example why you are considered a troll; this is one of those insulting I'm only trying to "improve the mexican character" charades. I was half expecting you to trot out all your "mexican" friend to prove how innocent your "fact" are.

    Its a sad day when i sympathize with perndog...he is a little too neg-rep happy but in this case i can't help but find it ironic that you complain that he is being a dick for sending you a series of red nipples. Poor baby was only trying to help us mexicans become more "civilized" and now he has a mexican chihuahua throwing red nipples at him.

    The good ole days:rolleyes:!

    Ironic, can't believe that I find your cartita crusade so gratifying:eek:

    They want proof, like a burning cross in the front lawn and a membership in the kkk before they are convinced of the obvious.
     
  16. Perndog2006

    Perndog2006 Member+

    Jul 24, 2006
    Nery Nut Ryder
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    JAJAJA did you put that in your resume?

    just like you imply that we dont know nothing about you, you dont know anything about me either, specially since you care to imply that I only sit at my computer and play victim.

    I wonder if you ever been at an anti-sheriff joe arpaio demostration, or did you care to walk out on the day of the prop 187 protest in california?

    u sir know shit about me. so for you to imply that I have no right to complain about the stereotypical racists rants and lies you spread on your blog, then you must be a what got me a yellow card in this thread
     
  17. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    I don't believe that you did the things you claim, but even if you did, it doesn't excuse your racist posts in the forums and blog.

    I personally wouldn't care if you guys were able to say the s-word or b-word to your heart's content, as long as we'd be able to fire back with comments of the same nature. I'm all for a stereotypes war, if you're gonna kick it off. I firmly believe that we'd win because your people are far more flawed than ours.

    Unfortunately, though, sometimes you guys fire the first salvo without reprimand, then when any of us strike back, we get carded. That's where the problem lies. If guys like myself or pern get carded so damn easily, the same should go for you, despite of your popularity among your fellow Crew fans.
     
  18. Rebaño_Sagrado

    Rebaño_Sagrado Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Home
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    You're a classy individual.
     
  19. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I'm guessing, given the historical use of the word "boy" with regards to blacks in the United States, you would agree that the title of this thread is patently racist:

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1214547
     
  20. Perndog2006

    Perndog2006 Member+

    Jul 24, 2006
    Nery Nut Ryder
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    cant see nothing im banned from there
     
  21. beat junky

    beat junky Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
    CA
    Alberto where art thou?
     
  22. Kur #10

    Kur #10 Member

    Dec 16, 2002
    Mexico Citay
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    ahem.

    You're all a bunch of whiney nerds, get yourselves some punani or start making some real money.

    bye
     
  23. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    You haven't been around long. There used to be a Mexican poster with a swastika conveniently hidden under an Atlas logo as his avatar. He used to say things like "negro de mierda" and insult black players. I haven't seen him around anymore so I'm guessing the mods took care of him but he was around for a long time.
     

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