Some quotes regarding Klinsmann not just with the US, but throughout other teams he's managed.... "We practiced little more than fitness at Bayern. Tactics were neglected. The players often had to get together before games to discuss how we wanted to play. After about eight weeks, the players recognized that it would not work with Klinsmann. The rest of the season was damage limitation." Phillipp Lahm "In his time at Bayern I couldn't see anything: Game model, adequate communication - or success." Toni Kroos "Coach Klinsmann failed to demonstrate the coaching ability and leadership that we expect from a coach of the Korean national team, such as game management, player management, and work attitude that lead to the national team's competitiveness." KFA President Chung Mong-gyu, shortly after firing Klinsmann. "I was part of the national team for 15 years and there were times when we played for a manager who wasn't very good. What did we do? We banded together and - in spite of that manager - we fought, we won big games and we punched above our weight. We knew the manager was sugarcoating our situation. It became about pride. Guys didn’t look for excuses, they thought: to hell with the manager, this is about our country and my starting job. So, as players, we would stay together after a meal. We would head to the bar or knock on each other's doors late at night and say: let's figure this out. The manager didn’t know this was going on and, being frank, he didn't deserve to be privy to these conversations." Tim Howard Klinsmann can be a good motivator, and in my opinion would make a better executive than an actual manager. The fact that some people point to the Klinsmann era as some sort of "Golden Age" of US Soccer is mind boggling.
Does extensive mean "any" in this discussion? I enjoy that people think Jurgen was trying his hardest at the end. "Er, go play something. There's no plan because I believe in you!"
Michigan's laid it out better, but I think people are mixing reporting, opinion pieces and completely unsourced internet chatter.
Yep. Terrific point about Emma. IMO one sign of a quality coaching search is that you can't really tell what's happening, maybe even some red herrings in the media to give cover for secrecy. Many are complaining about the "One longshot then settle" pattern both times with Gregg but they are both overgeneralizing and probably misinterpreting. Of course the news about Klopp leaked! Jürgen doesn't care since he has no present employer. It does indeed buy credibility to telegraph the top of your range of longshots. Of course news about other longshots isn't leaking! It makes the job seem undesirable. I wouldn't be surprised if they've done 50 backchannel inquiries on the level of asking someone close to, I dunno, Eddie Howe or Nagelsmann or Bielsa if they're interested and getting a categorical No. My college recently hired a men's basketball coach. As the process was going on, a name leaked to credible sources who was underwhelming but with a team still in the NCAA tournament. I am pretty sure it leaked as a red herring to give them cover to finish the deal with the actual guy -- maybe leaking the name of your 20th choice to keep confidentiality to complete the deal with the 3rd choice.
Yeah Tannenwald did a good job of reporting on it in his article but people are jumping on rumor and innuendo and turning it into fact where I don’t think anyone knows alot about what’s currently going on with the coaching search other than Klopp said no.
This was even funnier (or sadder) when Korean fans were roasting Klinsmann for his tactics on Twitter and USMNT Twitter kept trying to "Yanksplain" to them that Klinsmann was actually a good manager and that they just needed to give him more time. Embarrassing all around.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5392417/2024/04/07/good-manager-how-to-tell/ TLDR version, 80% of success is explained by TM value (wages would do a better job but aren’t widely available). Some managers exceed that but it still seems very context dependent. Also includes a link to his early piece that includes the studies on coaching impact. Also links to profiles of some up and coming club managers.
At the beginning of the Berhalter tenure there was a lot of talk about how he was going to revolutionize the offense of the USMNT. How he would be so much better than previous managers Arena and Klinsmann. See the Coaching Thread for reference. I said at the time that ultimately managers are judged on results and Arena's and Klinsmann's are there for all to see. Now so is Berhalter's.
I think Berhalter genuinely had a good performance in terms of how we played in the 2022 World Cup. The issue is more how the second cycle went. And I’ll say this about Klinsmann, I don’t think very highly of him as a coach but if he had done just one cycle his performance would have been fine as far as how it compared to the historical USMNT performance.
Incidentally the Elo rankings have followed the same pattern. I go along with playing the game of overrating small samples because that's how coaches will be judged. But in a way it reassured me to find that the Elo trajectory has been down post-Qatar, so we're not just overreacting to three games How eloratings.net weights different kinds of games is a bit of a mystery to me.
Look I get that you are a Berhalter guy from day 0 so of course you think he was good as a manager. Others could conclude he was poor. It is all very subjective as to how one does the ratings. What is not subjective are the records which are there for everyone to see, analyze, and come to whatever conclusion they see fit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_men's_national_soccer_team_head_coaches IIRC @Bob Morocco recently posted a table with additional SOC information.