Did Nordahl take penalties in Serie A?

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  1. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    I just saw some footage of Nils Liedholm. He took quite a few penalties for Milan.
    This leads to my question; how many penalties did Nordahl take?
     
  2. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    According to my source he only ever scored one penalty during his time in Serie A:

    Gunnar Nordahl

    season - games - goals (penalties) - club
    1948-49 15 / 16 (0) AC Milan
    1949-50 37 / 35 (1) AC Milan
    1950-51 37 / 34 (0) AC Milan
    1951-52 38 / 26 (0) AC Milan
    1952-53 32 / 26 (0) AC Milan
    1953-54 33 / 23 (0) AC Milan
    1954-55 33 / 27 (0) AC Milan
    1955-56 32 / 23 (0) AC Milan
    1956-57 30 / 13 (0) AS Roma
    1957-58 04 / 02 (0) AS Roma

    Source: "Anagrafe del Calcio Italiano - Storia della Serie A" by Rino Tommasi
     
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  3. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    What a monster he must ´ve been. Nopie in a hundred years came even close to his stats.
     
  4. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich

    Yes his exploits are the most impressive among goalscorers that ever played in Serie A, but of course it should be noted that in the early 1950s goalscoring in Serie A was higher than what we associate Italian football with today.

    Here's the environment he had in Serie A regarding the top scorers of the time. Remarkably is the domination of Serie A by Scandinavian forwards during these years:

    (Up to 1952, a Serie A season spanned 38 games, after that 34 games.)

    1948-49

    Goals (penalties) - player (club)
    26 (6) Nyers (Inter)
    22 (0) Amadei (Inter)
    21 (1) Mike (Bologna)
    19 (3) Stradella (Livorno)
    17 (0) Carapellese (Milan)
    16 (0) V.Mazzola (Torino)
    16 (0) G.Nordahl (Milan)

    1949-50

    35 (1) G.Nordahl (Milan)
    30 (10) Nyers (Inter)
    28 (3) J.Hansen (Juve)
    27 (10) Santos (Torino)
    24 (1) Galassi (Fiorentina)
    22 (0) Burini (Milan)
    21 (0) Boniperti (Juve)
    20 (0) Amadei (Inter)
    20 (0) Bassetto (Sampdoria)

    1950-51

    34 (0) G.Nordahl (Milan)
    31 (4) Nyers (Inter)
    24 (6) K.Hansen (Juve)
    23 (0) Wilkes (Inter)
    22 (0) Boniperti (Juve)
    21 (0) Lorenzi (Inter)
    20 (0) J.Hansen (Juve)

    1951-52

    30 (3) J.Hansen (Juve)
    26 (0) G.Nordahl (Milan)
    23 (6) Nyers (Inter)
    22 (0) Jeppson (Bergamo)
    22 (5) Burini (Milan)

    1952-53

    28 (0) G.Nordahl (Milan)
    22 (4) J.Hansen (Juve)
    18 (1) Bacci (Bologna)
    18 (0) Rasmussen (Bergamo)
    16 (3) Vivolo (Juve)
    15 (2) Nyers (Juve)

    1953-54

    23 (0) G.Nordahl (Milan)
    20 (0) Jeppson (Napoli)
    17 (3) Bassetto (Bergamo)
    17 (0) Ricagni (Juve)
    15 (0) Rasmussen (Bergamo)
    15 (0) L.Sorensen (Milan)

    1954-55

    27 (0) G.Nordahl (Milan)
    20 (0) Bettini (Udine)
    17 (2) Pivatelli (Bologna)
    16 (0) Rasmussen (Bergamo)
    15 (1) Bacci (Torino)
    15 (0) J.Hansen (Lazio)
    15 (0) Schiaffino (Milan)
    15 (1) Virgili (Fiorentina)

    1955-56

    29 (4) Pivatelli (Bologna)
    23 (0) G.Nordahl (Milan)
    21 (0) Virgili (Fiorentina)
    18 (3) Bassetto (Bergamo)
    17 (0) Firmani (Sampdoria)
    16 (0) Schiaffino (Milan)
    16 (0) Vinicio (Napoli)

    1956-57

    22 (0) Da Costa (Roma)
    18 (0) Sacchi (Udine)
    18 (0) Vinicio (Napoli)
    17 (0) Bean (Milan)
    15 (3) Bassetto (Bergamo)
    15 (1) Lindskog (Udine)
    14 (0) Galli (Milan)
    14 (0) Montuori (Fiorentina)
    13 (0) G.Nordahl (Roma)
     
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  5. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    nyers is second most productive all-time:
    Gunnar Nordahl 1948–1958 225 291 0.77
    István Nyers 1948–1956 153 236 0.65
    Giuseppe Meazza 1929–1947 216 367 0.59
    Gabriel Batistuta 1991–2003 184 318 0.58
    Giuseppe Signori 1991–2004 188 344 0.55

    if we inaccurately discount nyer's penalties that are on your list (leaving his last 3 seasons in serie a untouched)
    then we get 125 goals in 236 games = 0.53

    i'm not sure about meazza but i know that signori and batigoal took the penalties for their clubs.
    speculating on these numbers, there could be about a 0.25 goal per game disparity between nordahl and the best of the rest.
     
  6. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    You overlooked Johnny Hansen perhaps? As contemporary of both Nyers and Nordahl.

    https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classifica_dei_marcatori_della_Serie_A
     
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  7. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    i used the english wiki.
    the italian page seems more complete:
    Gunnar Nordahl 225 291 0,77 1949-1958 210
    Aldo Boffi[1] 109 163 0,67 1936-1943 109 [​IMG] Milan
    István Nyers 153 236 0,65 1948-1956 133 [​IMG] Inter, 20 [​IMG] Roma
    John Hansen 139 214 0,65 1948-1955 124 [​IMG] Juventus, 15 [​IMG] Lazio
    Angelo Schiavio[1] 109 179 0,61 1929-1938 109 [​IMG] Bologna
    John Charles 97 160 0,61 1957-1963 93 [​IMG] Juventus, 4 [​IMG] Roma
    Marco Van Basten 90 147 0,61 1987-1993 90 [​IMG] Milan

    a similar treatment for hansen gives 129 goals in 214 matches = 0.60 or about a .2 disparity.

    does anyone have any idea about aldo boffi's penalty record?
     
  8. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Boffi 6 (of 8), Hansen 15 (of 23), Nordahl 1 (of 4), Nyers 36 (of 50), Schiavio 1 (of 4), Charles 4 (of 7), Basten 24 (of 26), Batistuta 14 (of 23), Signori 44 (of 52), Meazza 12 (of 18).

    Liedholm 25/32.
     
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  9. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    if we round off on boffi's selfishness,) then the gap between nordahl and the rest is about 0.15

    similarly, if we speculate on liedholm's penalties taken by nordahl (let's say 22/23 extra goals) then that would yield a 0.85 average and a 0.2 gap.

    if we consider that cristiano ronaldo has a similar gpg gap in la liga, we might actually argue that our thirst for heroes is only quenched by showdowns. i'll open a new thread
     

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