Did I miss something?? (CSC)

Discussion in 'D.C. United' started by Dave Brother, Feb 3, 2003.

  1. Dave Brother

    Dave Brother New Member

    Jun 10, 2001
    Alexandria
    Did the meeting between the supporters groups/United and CSC ever happen? If so, what if anything was resolved? If this has already been hashed out I hope Revelation doesn't smack me too hard for bringing it up again;)
     
  2. CHICO13

    CHICO13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 4, 2001
    SECTION 135
    Club:
    The Strongest La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    No, the meeting has not taken place yet. It will be held in the near future and all points and notes from the meeting will be posted here.
     
  3. Begbie

    Begbie New Member

    Mar 10, 2001
    La Barra Brava
    We're on it. Does anyone have a problem with CSC that they would like us to address?
    Give us a few of your experiences.
     
  4. Tweaked

    Tweaked Member

    Jan 30, 2003
    The Hill
    Complaint

    Not allowing whistles in the stands...I know this is really MLS policy but still, a footie game with no whistles is like a porn move with no T&A
     
  5. CHICO13

    CHICO13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 4, 2001
    SECTION 135
    Club:
    The Strongest La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Re: Complaint

    :confused: I've never run across this, has anyone else?
     
  6. Tweaked

    Tweaked Member

    Jan 30, 2003
    The Hill
    Whistles

    Late last year, MLS instituted a policy of no whistles in the stands and I was almost forcibly removed from the BArra Brava section. Apparently, in another MLS game, one team stopped playing because they had heard a whistle which had come from the stands and this resulted in them being scored upon. Hence no whistles in the stands.
     
  7. CHICO13

    CHICO13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 4, 2001
    SECTION 135
    Club:
    The Strongest La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Re: Whistles

    I have been in the Barra since '96 and have never seen anyone hassled for this. I'm usually in drummers row, with cowbells and whistles. No one has ever said a word to us about it, but I will certainly ask for you at the meeting.
     
  8. Tweaked

    Tweaked Member

    Jan 30, 2003
    The Hill
    Whistles

    As have I, so it was much to my displeasure that I was rather rudely asked to surrender my whistle to Event Staff, hence my almost removal...luckily Oscar was able to intervene.
     
  9. CHICO13

    CHICO13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 4, 2001
    SECTION 135
    Club:
    The Strongest La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Re: Whistles

    This point right here will be one of the main topics of discussion.
     
  10. Tweaked

    Tweaked Member

    Jan 30, 2003
    The Hill
    Whistle

    Thanks! and thank you for having this meeting with Event Staff...now if we could only do something about those expensive beer prices!
     
  11. SpikeFC

    SpikeFC New Member

    Jun 27, 2000
    Fairfax, VA
    Whistle

    Just to add another voice...I was told to put away my whistle in Barra Brava towards the end of the season. When they told me two games in a row, I stopped bringing it.
     
  12. Red&Black

    Red&Black Member+

    Aug 30, 2001
    Lot 8
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Burkina Faso
    this is exactly the kind of thing that must be addressed and will be at the meeting. CSC has no understanding of football traditions and how they are done and MLS has little respect for them, both on the field and off. this needs to be stressed.
     
  13. dsheon

    dsheon New Member

    Jun 12, 2000
    While whistles in the stands may be tradition at some stadiums, it's an obvious nuisance for the players. No stadium employee should ever be rude when asking that the whistles stop, however I certainly can see the argument that they don't belong. Pack an extra cow bell or something.
     
  14. Red&Black

    Red&Black Member+

    Aug 30, 2001
    Lot 8
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Burkina Faso
    its SUPPOSED be a nuisance...
     
  15. GrillMaster

    GrillMaster Member

    Aug 31, 2000
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A samba whistle shouldn't confuse any player paying attention to the game. I remember Jaime pulling up in Tampa once because he heard a whistle and thought he was offside. It was a hard whistle from the stands exactly like the ref's, but it came from the stands, not from the field. Tampa had repeated instances of this whistling, yet never appeared to stop it -- home field advantage?

    If we must go the route of prohibiting whistles, I wonder whether a whistle pass system could be enabled so that samba whistles and the like would be legally played during the match (they are ususally played in the concourse during the drum circle anyway).

    I can't buy the argument that whistles in the stands are confusing to players. Players concentrating on the match should have no trouble, and if in doubt, play through. If the ref objects, indicate an obvious whistle was heard. The ref will forgive once.

    Refs should also make their whistle distinct and perhaps the USSF could custom make whistles for the pro refs. But leave the paying customers alone.

    GM
     
  16. dsheon

    dsheon New Member

    Jun 12, 2000
    Well that's a good point Tom. I just mean whistles that sound just like a refs. I just don't think that falls under home field advantage or good fan support. I don't know what a samba whistle is but if it does sound different than there shouldn't be a problem with that.

    When you are spinning around, possibly offsides, and you hear a whistle, I don't think it's entirely the player's job to play through. That's asking a lot. Imagine how pissed we'd be as fans if an opponent was blown offsides but played through and took a shot because he wasn't 100 percent certain if the whistle came from the stands or the ref. We'd give him no end of $hit.

    Interesting topic.
     
  17. owendylan

    owendylan Member

    May 30, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    It might be in countries South of us, but not in England. Not a whistle or instrument for that matter at any of the grounds I have visited over the years. chanting, singing, and whistling with your mouth sure, but not ref, samba or any other type of whistle.

    Personally I think they are very rude and distracting to players and fans. There have been times when i heard a whistle and thought it came from the field but it came from the stands and was confused why play hadn't stopped. I have also seen players been confused also.
     
  18. CHICO13

    CHICO13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 4, 2001
    SECTION 135
    Club:
    The Strongest La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    This isn't England or South America. This is a young US league with diverse supporters trying to find their identity. All the whistles I've heard in the BB/Nest have been there to keep time with the drumming. I don't think once has anyone deliberately blown a whistle to confuse an opponent or official. If the new rule is no whistles, then we'll live with it. But there's nothing rude about the way we used ours.
     
  19. greatscott

    greatscott Member+

    Dec 21, 2002
    Richmond
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    how about we just limit it down to Kazoo's
     
  20. Detective40oz

    Detective40oz Member

    Jun 16, 2000
    Fairfax, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    If we want our own identities how about we drop the whistles since they do that in other countries and use harmonicas....haven't heard any supporters using harmonicas :)
     
  21. owendylan

    owendylan Member

    May 30, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    When did i say it was? I was commenting on a previous post about the whistle blowing tradition at some stadiums. The whistle doesn't have to be deliberate to be confusing, it may be a coincidence that someone blows a whistle in keeping time with the beat and it has an effect. I find whistles rude and annoying, a personal preference, you want to blow one fine, I just don't like it. Play a triangle, a zither, accordian, xylophone, harmonica, dulcimer, euphonium, glockenspiel or some other concussed idiophone, just lay off the whistle.
     
  22. entropy

    entropy Member

    Lexington SC
    Aug 31, 2000
    People's Republic of Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    My personal feeling is that whistles in the stands are retarded. I'm all for drums, cowbells, whatever, but whistles are friggin' annoying and can cause confusion on the field of play, which as fans of the game we should all want to avoid. Instead of wasting your breath on a whistle, try joining in the chants.
     
  23. Dave Brother

    Dave Brother New Member

    Jun 10, 2001
    Alexandria
    Whistle or no whistle, I hope this meeting gets taken seriously by CSC. Lord knows United has heard enough from yours truly and a host of others. Mr. Zack's probably got my number blocked..lol.

    Let's hope we get resolution to our issues and have a much better experience in the stands than last year. I don't know if I can put up with another season of being treated like we were.
     
  24. Sober Tom

    Sober Tom Member

    Sep 10, 2001
    Glassboro, South Jer
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    address pyro(i.e. flares and such). Call me an idiot for even sayin this but i like em.
     
  25. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now there's a thought. If I played mine at a game, I don't think anyone would help pull the Security Staff off of me! ;)

    Winoman
     

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