did barca really win

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  1. ddjeffries

    ddjeffries New Member

    Sep 25, 2008
    Missouri
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    like other teams dont have money...

    http://www.forbes.com/2005/03/30/05soccerland.html

    seems like only one team in the top five is english and by the way the english market also brings in more money so they can spend it.
     
  2. Canadian Azzurri

    Nov 14, 2006
    Canada
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    04.01.05
     
  3. dtran08

    dtran08 New Member

    Mar 20, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    for those who saw the game fixed to favor barca, the red card to abidal certainly disproved that theory in the 66'.

    the ref was clearly trying to make up it to barca for his plunder with the red card and thus made calls favoring barca. the most obvious was the no pk on the pique hand ball which would've crippled barca's chances to advance. but by not giving that pk, barca was clearly still in, needing only a draw and at that time, a single goal, which was very possible.

    ultimately, it came down to chelsea's squandered chances and the "whiff" by essien?? who failed to clear the ball in the box. no doubt the ref had his impact on the game.

    here's a question. if chelsea had scored a goal after barca tied it up, would the ref's mistake in the match be less controversial than it is now? personally, i think it would be less controversial, just my opinion.
     
  4. Lamps>Gerrard

    Lamps>Gerrard Member

    Feb 15, 2009
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Obviously it wouldn't have mattered nearly as much cause Chelsea would simply feel that justice had been done, as would many many neutrals.
     
  5. ddjeffries

    ddjeffries New Member

    Sep 25, 2008
    Missouri
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    justice would have been done but the ref still would have been horrible cuz the game could have easily been 4-1. id be happy though cuz at least he called enough to get us through.
     
  6. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    He wouldn't have been controlling that match if he wasn't a decent referee. There's a reason that things like this are (thankfully) rare. The guy would have been inspected and marked by a panel of several experts on every top-flight game he's ever done at a domestic level. The scrutiny once you get to UEFA games is even higher, and he's been refereeing those for fifteen years.

    I have no idea what happened out there today, but Chelsea were undoubtably unfortunate for being on the receiving end. Cold comfort I'm sure, but I doubt we will see him referee another high-profile game.
     
  7. thepremierleague

    Mar 14, 2001
    London
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I really do hope he never gets another top game again it was a disgrace.

    Chelsea would rather have been thumped 3-0 then lose this way.

    Also how did the linesman miss the Pique handball?
     
  8. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    He may not have missed it. But if the referee had a view of the incident equally good or better than the one the assistant had, then the assistant would have deferred to the decision of the referee.
     
  9. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
    Detroit
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
  10. Canadian Azzurri

    Nov 14, 2006
    Canada
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Hell no
    Absolutely
    No
     
  11. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
    Detroit
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    First is inside the box.

    Second is agreeable.

    Why the hell is Eto'o raising his arm up then?
     
  12. evangel

    evangel Member+

    Apr 12, 2007
    It's hard to tell what he was doing, exactly, but he certainly wasn't trying to touch the ball. It looks like the ball was heading for his face and he instinctively turned like that. And it's the kind of thing I can easily forgive a ref for not calling. Unlike the Pique handball. Or the foul that was actually a penalty.

    Was Malouda's right foot on the line there in the first pic, and was he already falling down at that point? Because I can kind of see how the ref might have flubbed that if he thought Malouda was falling from outside into the area at the moment that picture was taken.
     
  13. kingkong1

    kingkong1 New Member

    Nov 12, 2007
    Rio, Brazil
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    [​IMG]

    Don't cry over the spilled milk, folks.:D
     
  14. ddjeffries

    ddjeffries New Member

    Sep 25, 2008
    Missouri
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    only one of those has to be called for the game to be won for chelsea... upsetting for them knowing how hard they played and how deserving they were
     
  15. tigerdave

    tigerdave Member

    Aug 23, 2004
    Buhl, Idaho
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Chelsea take one of the umpteen chances they have on the break with Barca pushing forward for the equalizer, this is a moot point. Yes, the ref sucked, for both teams, but for Chelsea to blame anyone but themselves is childish and to act the way they did in the aftermath is nothing short of a disgrace to the game.
     
  16. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Initial contact occurred outside the box. That still photo isn't taken at the moment of initial contact. :cool:

    After watching the match a second time (with emotions removed), the referee didn't appear near as bad as I originally thought. I recommend everyone else watch it a second time (seriously).

    I counted 6 shouts for Chelsea penalties but none of them were more than 50/50 (most were more like 20/80 in favour of no penalty), the exception perhaps the Pique handball. But the Pique handball came after the red card so you could argue that one doesn't occur without the other. So two bad calls but they offset.

    It even offsets the Fletcher red card from a day earlier. :p
     
  17. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Re: Will the match official of the Chelsea......

    Incorrect. Initial contact came outside the box. Please look at the incident again.
     
  18. ddjeffries

    ddjeffries New Member

    Sep 25, 2008
    Missouri
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i ask again. how many of those break away chances were smothered by no call fouls? 3? 4? 5?
     
  19. Wolfbeatseagle

    Wolfbeatseagle Member+

    May 7, 2007
    The Bermuda Tetrahedron
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm skeptical to say Fletcher didn't deserve that card. He did get the ball, but he followed through by scissoring Fabregas (I think it was Cesc). Fletcher doesn't get all that much of the ball and hits it into the Arsenal player's path, so if Fletch doesn't drag him down afterward, he has a chance at a shot. That's still a foul, and he's the last man.
     
  20. tigerdave

    tigerdave Member

    Aug 23, 2004
    Buhl, Idaho
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not nearly as many out of which Chelsea screwed themselves.
     
  21. canzano55

    canzano55 Member+

    Jun 23, 2003
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Initial intensity and drama removed, after watching it a second time I agree with you. We relate to Chelsea's grief but intellectually speaking they don't have much of a leg to stand on when you when you look at the entire frame.
     
  22. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    Re: Will the match official of the Chelsea......

    Not that it matters now, but if that was the case, given the spot where the free kick was taken, it was off by a mile. Please look at the incident again.

    And yes, it matters ******** all now, but let's be honest here. I know you're a former ref and all, but this guy ********ed up big time today.
     
  23. Dokebiteam

    Dokebiteam New Member

    Apr 29, 2009
    Club:
    Suwon Bluewings
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Re: Will the match official of the Chelsea......

    [​IMG]
    well, Drogba doesn't approve of it
     
  24. konartis

    konartis New Member

    Apr 2, 2007
    Sydney
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I rarely post, but this is starting to tick me off.
    It doesn't matter how many chances Chelsea "squandered" themselves. One of the (at least 2) clear-cut penalties would have won them the game.

    If Ballack had handballed Iniesta's kick in the 93rd minute and not been called for it to prevent the goal, how would Barcelona feel? Heck, they didn't even have any chances to squander themselves. The stats would read something like 0 shots on goal for the game. They are not the superior team because they had the possession and the one chance goal.

    Football is a game of numbers. Chelsea should have won this many times over but for the horrible decisions the ref made.

    Concerning the handball by Pique (everybody WORLDWIDE knows this is a penalty. Intended or not, his hand changed the tranjectory of the ball): it doesn't MATTER that the ref didn't have a good angle. There is a linesman and I'm sure somebody else must have also spotted it.

    Are some of you guys really so blind? And stuff the Barca red card. We were winning against 11 men - he did not need to go. So to the anti-Chelsea people saying that the Pique handball kind of cancelled out that ill-conceived red card (it was bad...), you're wrong. Any team would trade a man-advantage for a goal in the second half. Even against Barcelona. Especially after defending so well.

    Chelsea were robbed. I feel sorry for Ballack at the end there. That ball might have been going in. He hit nearly the exact same shot (with the same spin on the ball!) against the Czech Republic at Euro 2004. It ended up hitting the underside of Eto's arm. A clear handball. You don't put your hands above your head.

    Chelsea. Were. Robbed.
     
  25. Equilibrium

    Equilibrium Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    None of your busines
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Re: Will the match official of the Chelsea......

    If I wanted to watch 30 seconds break every 2-3 minutes, I would watch a boring sport like Baseball. No thanks.
     

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