I'm pretty sure the fence is blocking off a major street. I don't think there will be much ability to expand in that direction. Here's a pic during the Women's World Cup... And an overhead shot of the park during baseball season...
After renovation will the soccer layout be the same as shown on the overhead shot? I thought field location would be changing. PGE is a perfect new stadium for the league. It's a historic soccer venue that will also offer a great fan experience in a downtown location. RFK's been playing that role, but it's not viable in the long-term for DCU from a business perspective, and isn't ideally configured for soccer. But that's my problem. Congrats, and looking forward to Portland in 2011.
The fence is blocking off a sidewalk that runs along a street if I remember correctly from the Beavers game I went to. This visual connection between stadium and streetscape is what they mention trying to maintain in the current design. Which is why I'm not saying a continuation of the slope as designed, but a separate raised upper deck. to keep visual continuity. The distances between the fence, the back row of columns and the "V" supports, are all about equal. Which means by placing a row of columns at the fenceline, you could support an upper deck, and the "V" supports seem like they would fulfill a necessary role in such a deck. Here is a very rough diagram of conceptually what could be done 2 or more decades down the road. There is even enough room in the current design, to add circulation (i.e. stairs) on the ends of such a deck, as well as in the gap at the center of what now is the canopy. While there isn't much room, they have not pushed the current design all the way back to the lot line. Which makes me think there was some thought into planning for a best case scenario, needing expansion in the coming decades. Anyway, returning home from bars and throwing together a diagram of a possible stadium addition is my idea of a great end to a night. Hope this clear up what I've been trying to explain about what seems to be a series of intelligent design decisions. Note:This set up would also allow for new restrooms, concessions etc. to be stacked above existing. meaning less piping/cost, which once again would not be possible to efficiently design for with a different layout then currently proposed. Also one last thing, do I have these figures rightly understood? Stadium capacity w/ covered northern backmost seats: 20,000 Stadium capacity w/o seats covered: 24,000 temporary seats on the stage section to the south: 24,000+
I plan on raising a pint in honor of Bright on Wednesday night. We are little more than a year away from a stadium we deserve, in a league that deserves us. For everyone that stepped in to PGE, felt the energy of the supporters, and dreamed of a day when the home of Clive Charles, Clyde Best, and Glen "Mooch" Mynerick was once again a hallowed ground for the highest level of soccer in the U.S., this is our time. Cheers to you Bright, RCTID
The average 2009 attendance was close to 10K. It has never been below 5K in the A-League/USL era. Very good for a Dev.2 team. You will still need to double that 2009 number to fill the new stadium. That is quite a few new custimbers.
So you think it was the same 10k every match? Your math sucks. I'd say about half of the fans were there at the majority of the matches, the rest of the people came to a few matches a season. Not saying they are good or bad, but saying that the number of people aware of the current team are far more than 20k people. Now, Shittle MLS supporters that I have asked where they were last year liked to laugh at me and say "we didn't have a team last year you asshole!". That's the difference.
Exactly. And the same is true for the Sounders, who had a tenure in the USL twice as long. The USL has historically attracted a lot of "kicking the tires" fans who really like soccer, but end up being turned off by the level of play and/or the subpar facilities. So on aggregate, both teams have/had a lot of potential MLS fans. You saw this phenomenon play out when the Sounders had 10,000 season ticket deposits 6 weeks after the MLS move was announced. The real issue at play going forward is how do you get Portlanders to support a team owned by Henry Paulson? Portland hates George Bush, and Portland has been hardest hit by the economic failure. Most Portlanders are clued in enough to know the role Henry Paulson played both at the Treasury Department and as CEO at Goldman Sachs ... before TARP and bailouts were even brought up. His presence as owner has been a key reason for all the resistance, and Portlanders love to boycott and stick it to the "corporations". This is the next step that the Timbers Army has to take. Sell Henry Paulson and all his baggage to your fellow citizens. For the time being, you are pretty much alone in your own town on this one. Average attendance is one benchmark of success, but a better benchmark is how deeply does the team inject itself into the community, grabbing the support of the common person. The stadium only holds so many people, the rest have to watch on TV or read about it in the paper. This leads to more sponsorship and advertising. If your fellow citizens are hating on the local team, sponsors will stay away.
You're here again? Go away! Here are some updated photos of the stadium. http://www.droppingtimber.com/2010/01/lastest-pictures-from-pge-park.html
What's going on in those pictures? And yes, the latest from the Portland obsessed Seattle fan that has filled this thread was the most pathetic post he's had this thread.
hahahahahahahahahhaha...no. Even if he was the owner, I hated the Tribune, and still supported the Cubs. I still hate Jerry Reinsdorf, and it hasn't stopped my support. Only racist and murderous owners cause fans not to support their home team. Let's see, the entirety of Florida and Michigan would disagree with this statement. Once again, you have your Paulsons confused, yes Henry has guaranteed to cover construction cost overruns, but he does not own the team. From my friends in Portland, I am not getting the impression that fellow citizens are hating on the Timbers. Aside from extreme Blazer fans, who probably wouldn't have given soccer a thought regardless. In general I'm just responding to what seems to be FOX News level misinformation.
He is part of the ownership group along with his son. http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=117977595707133000 The money to cover the $35 million MLS expansion fee and the upfront renovation money is coming from Henry Paulson's pocket. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aiY0Dfcik.8s&refer=home
No, they support exactly what I said. http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=117977595707133000
Moral of the story: don't say something in the affirmative unless you know you are right. You were mistaken, which we all are from time to time, so don't get all huffy with me about it.
Yes, but aren't you (and Portlanders) rather dancing around where Merritt Paulson got his fortune? A couple years with HBO and the NBA is generally enough time to amass the sort of personal fortune that could buy an MLS team. Sure.
Bullshit. Finnegan is trying to portray himself and other Timbers fans as victims. The sympathy card will only take them so far before they will have to face reality, which I know Finnegan is well aware of. While he may come on here trying to distract from what I said about a divided city and the general dislike of and opposition to Henry Paulson, he is most certainly brainstorming ideas about how to address the current situation in the coming year.