Last week a mass protest was held in all over the world rejecting to an attack on Iraq and an Inevetable War that could loom in the mid-east. Many chanted against war and against bush for what he has done in the past year in bringing the crisis to the boil point. In my view, i think that the protestors have missed many spots in there blame game and do not see the picture quite fully!!! For one thing, when you look a Saddams Portofolio, you will see that not only he has a bad record with his neighbours, he also has a bad record with the international community as well as his own people. The Demonstration did not condemn the war Machine that loomed in Iraq, back in the 1980 Iran-Iraq war or the Invasion of Kuwait, or the chemical use attack on the Assyrians or the kurds or the scud missiles fired at alot of places in the middle east. and to top it all off the 1 million propoganda number of deaths that occurred in Iraq since the sanctions (mind you that there is no real hard evidence to support that number, although there has been casualties to sanctions, due to Iraq's unfavoured and ignorant mind to support 1 mens wealth on his countrys poor). In all, i just feel that the demonstrations weren't anything but fruitful.. They sure didn't want war, but they didn't have a solution to a threat!!!!!!!
> In all, i just feel that the demonstrations weren't > anything but fruitful.. They sure didn't want war, > but they didn't have a solution to a threat!!!!!!! Is there a threat? Is it necessary to have a solution? How much will the solution cost? We've already been debating these questions on this board for months
Where was i?!?!?! Is there a threat - yes!! If it takes 12 years for sanctions and it seems that he hasn't understand better, than why not? Is it necessary solution - just ask an Iraqi who needs it the most!!! For us, it just another Tryant that is gone!!! Sorry, i came late
Really? I haven't heard about this. Can you give us details? This would make sense if Hussein was as susceptible to public opinion as Bush. But he's not so you don't. Um, whatever dude.
Re: Re: Demonstrations Do Not Condemn Saddam Hussien!! Feel free to chime in with an alternative solution.
Re: Re: Demonstrations Do Not Condemn Saddam Hussien!! Well, instead of belive the demonstrators, how about looking into the 1980 war that Iraq launched on Newly formed Iran (regime!!)...That one Iraq went forward and that one lost alot of casualties in it!!!! Then you have them and Turkey, which along with the kurds has not been a very good friend indeed!! Both don't like each other and both play around with the kurds!!!! Then ofcourse you get to the Kuwaitis who have been the focus of the reason for the 1990's Gulf War... They went ahead and invaded the country, not for the right of the reason but for nationalistic reasons!!! It was a worser excuse that Nasser for Nationalising the Suez Canal! Well, how come Hussien is susceptible to what he hears in the media by marchers! Of course, if Hussien was also Susceptible to his 99.9% win in the last election that would be good as well! Wouldn't it.. I like to see Iraqis oppose Saddam! A bullet in the head would do them good So your saying that, if oppose a war, that is one thing and its ok! But you don't have an idea of how to find a solution to the conflict? Sure, a war can be averted, but you still have tyrants running around Baghdad? Why be patriotric like Charlie Sheens dad and on the other hand let Tyrants win the battle? No one likes war, infact!! War is immoral! But do they give us a choice?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Demonstrations Do Not Condemn Saddam Hussien!! Can they give us a choice of not having war, but at the same time having regime change and leveling the threat that Saddam poseses!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Demonstrations Do Not Condemn Saddam Hussien!! So you're saying the we have to go to war with North Korea too? Looks like the US armed forces are going to be busy next month.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Demonstrations Do Not Condemn Saddam Hussien!! Korea is not on the Agenda, eventhough there just threatning at the moment!!!
> Feel free to chime in with an alternative solution. You are under the mistaken assumption that there needs to be a solution. Sometimes you are better off just managing the situation until the environment changes. > Korea is not on the Agenda, eventhough there > just threatning at the moment!!! Then how much of a threat can it be if we can just put it on the back burner?
Re: Re: Re: Demonstrations Do Not Condemn Saddam Hussien!! So it's time to defend kurds finally? Will we see a free kurdistan out of syrian, iranian, turkish and iraqi kurdistan? I like it I will support any action to achieve it, even a war against those states if they are unwilling. Excuse me if i don't think that killing kurds with or without chemical weapons makes any difference at the end. The result is the same: deads.
You are under the mistaken assumption that the situation was being managed before Bush bullied the UN and Sadam into accepting the re-introduction of inspectors. Since 1998, the situation in Iraq was drastically non-managed.
> Since 1998, the situation in Iraq was drastically non-managed. And the drastically non-managed situation has, since 1998, led to: - An even weaker Iraqi military. - Kurdish independence and start of democracy. - US buying all the oil Iraq can produce. - Iraq's neighbors feeling no threat from him. Sounds good to me.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Demonstrations Do Not Condemn Saddam Hussien!! Very intresting point there Sardina!!! I never seen anyone other than you who would talk about a Kurd state. Its intresting really.... What is your view on it? Do you think we should give a kurd state? Lets make a new topic about it!! B.t.w: Is that rumsfeild in your picture?
Thats what 2.5 Adminstrations did, and yet, nothing happened. Infact the problem just came back by itself!! It goes to show that we need action and we need it now!!!!! To wait, means just making the threat as a tumour, bigger, worser and much deadlier!!! G-d knows, what Saddam planned on it! The only person thats ************************ is that fat-4 eyed inspector, Richard Butler, who first went to Iraq in 98 and was the one on CNN that confronted the Iraqi gaurds in the nuke sight and now he is a dove... A turn of the table i see... Its not that the Bush Adminstration even wants Korea to be on the backburner or the radar as per say. But the fact is that, there the ones threatning us at the moment! There the ones doing blackmail right now! its not a Us. Vs. Korea thing, its a World Vs. Korean, namly the UN, who identifies that Korea has violated there treaty. They are using Nukes and there weapon arsenal as a means to get what they want. Coming from Israel, i remember 2 distance enemies; N. Korea and Israel met in 92/93 and Israel asked Korea to stop helping Iran/Syria/Iraq build Ballistic Missiles.... The only response from Pyongyng was.... $$$$$$$
> Thats what 2.5 Adminstrations did, and yet, nothing happened. Yes, nothing happened. What is bad about nothing happening? Why invade and turn a nice nothing into a big fat terrible something? I am very worried that a war is going to trigger a world-wide economic depression. Is that really worth getting rid of a guy that is only ruling a slowly decaying 4th-world nation for that? > Infact the problem just came back by itself!! What, did Saddam gas someone? Did he invade someone? Did he fart and then blame the dog?
What happened to all the chemical and biological weapons we knew he had in 1998, when the inspectors left? Those products have yet to be accounted for by the Iraqis. I'm sure he voluntarily destroyed them, of course, and just forgot to tell the rest of the world of his good deed. There's a sucker born every minute.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Demonstrations Do Not Condemn Saddam Hussien!! Yes absolutely. Muslim countries could care less about them, maybe because they're under islamic (or mostly islamic) countries' oppression. I supported kosovo intervention for the same reason. And I would like also Chechnya to gain independence. And Kappa also the Palestinian state in the occupied territories. If a good majority of ppl (2/3 or 3/5 for example) living in a given territory (not a town) wants to be independent I will support them. p.s. If you're wondering no I am not muslim. Yes, in the 80's. When saddam was gassing the curds.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Demonstrations Do Not Condemn Saddam Hussien!! When its muslim vs. Muslim, ofcourse nothing will change and there will be no change, because the problem is that the world ignores it and the Arab world hides it under the table. But how come no one yearns from an Independent Kosovo or an Independent Checnya or an Independent Kurd & Palestine? Do you also think that if the Palestinian agreed that the land they are on or they want is debatable than they should negotiate?