Democrats are good and Republicans are bad, the next chapter

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  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    Recently, we've had some newbies come in here. And that's great. The problem with newbies is that, well, they're new. You have to prove the same stuff to them that you've already proven before. It gets boring after a while.

    Well, here's a nice, simple little graph that I happened to run across. The worst Democrat is tied with the best Republican...and that Republican accomplished his growth with massive deficit spending, and the sheer luck of a war driving down oil prices.

    So, newbies, check it out. Democrats are good and Republicans are bad. Remember it. Let's not waste time on debating this truism again.

    Thank you.

    http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/01/out_of_touch_1.php

    PS...if anyone knows how to embed the image, have at it.
     
  2. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

    Nov 5, 2002
    Northern Virginia
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    In a bipartisan fashion newbies note well what superdave is referencing. The liberal "Atlantic" periodical cited features of graph, below which is cited (in the very second sentence) "a very crude method by which to judge" (need we really go further?).

    Democrats are Democrats and Republicans are Republicans. Whether they are good or bad is for God alone to judge.

    Thank you.

    And newbies: Welcome aboard!
     
  3. Norsk Troll

    Norsk Troll Member+

    Sep 7, 2000
    Central NJ
    You know, the problem with newbies is that they don't know how to embed images.

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  4. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
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    Here's another way to rank the presidencies:

    Success:
    Clinton
    Reagan

    Failure:
    Bush I
    Carter
    Nixon

    Baffles me every day:
    Johnson (Civil rights vs. Vietnam)

    Middling:
    Kennedy

    So far, its a slight advantage for the Dems, until:

    SS Titanic:
    BushCo

    If this were a soccer game, it would be 3-1 dems.
     
  5. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
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    Didn't Keller get banned from this place for posting horseshit threads like this?
     
  6. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    Keller was serious when he posted shit like this; that's the difference.

    And he was banned for a lot more than just this.
     
  7. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    I'm serious too.

    The difference between me and Keller...well, ONE difference...is that I'm not saying GOPs are bad in the moral sense. I just mean they suck as presidents. Their pro investor/employer policies are inferior to the Dems' pro consumer/worker policies.

    Most of us knew that, since we've discussed it several times. I just wanted to bring the newbies like jsimm and dannytoone up to speed. They need to be taught that their favored political philosophy is inferior.

    With the conservatively biased media unwilling to fact check things such as this, it's easy for people to be ignorant of the truth. And that's why I started this thread...to educate the ignorant, and also to ensure that when this issue comes up, we don't have to have a meaningless argument about whether the sun rises in the east or the west.
     
  8. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
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    Karl only posted the drivel he read on the Wall Street Journal's op-ed pages.
     
  9. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Newbies: Note the response to the source of the information, not the content. This is a standard characteristic of 'conservative thought'. Remember, if you denigrate the source you can evade the implication of the information.
     
  10. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Alright, then I will. Because it's precisely the ridiculous Republican economic policies like "trickle down" (as in peeing on the peons) and "cutting taxes raises revenue" that creates the enormous inequality between the Hiltons and everyone else. "You're just not working hard enough with your 3 jobs - now watch how I slash these estate taxes!"
     
  11. Dr Jay

    Dr Jay BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 7, 1999
    Newton, MA USA
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    And everyone knows, the two goal lead is the most dangerous in soccer !
     
  12. Ann Arbor FC

    Ann Arbor FC New Member

    Jan 27, 2008
    Wow this is a terrible thread based on simplistic data and erroneous conclusions. I take it Superdave is not an economist?

    His growth was caused by massive deficit spending? Where did you get that information from? Sheer lick of war driving down oil prices? When Carter came into office in January 1977, the price of a barrel of oil was about $14. When he left four years later oil was at more than $35 a barrel. Wich is why Carter had double digit inflation that ended during the 1980's. The consumer price index, which rose 4.9 percent in 1976 up to 6.7 percent in 1977, 9 percent in 1978, and 13.3 percent in 1979 Tell me Superdave, how do Democrats rate on stagflation? Does your graph mention that productivity was extremely low during the Carter years? Does it mention that productivity is higher under Bush than Clinton?

    And.... I suppose Clinton supporting the easy lending of the Fed (cause of the housing bubble*) and the tech bubble wasn't sheer luck? :eek:

    *Bush is guilty of this as well.
     
  13. Ann Arbor FC

    Ann Arbor FC New Member

    Jan 27, 2008

    Can you tell me why the gap between the upper and lower class jumped during the Carter and Clinton years? (they have climbed during the Bush 1+2 years as well but disproves your post)
     
  14. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    Keller didn't have tribal loyalties in his favor when he made a dumb post. The Leftist circle jerk would start and the mods collapsed under the pressure.

    SpecialDave's serious too.
    And and idiot. This thread takes it from the realm of personal attack to merely a statement of fact. I find it to be a failure of democracy that this this thread can be taken seriously. Even the posters from the Left can't figure out if this is a serious thread or not.
     
  15. John Galt

    John Galt Member

    Aug 30, 2001
    Atlanta
    If the mods relabeled the thread title to be "Democrats are good for the economy and Republicans are bad for the economy", much of the vitriol and comparisons to Keller would disappear.

    I doubt we'd reach agreement on anything any sooner though.
     
  16. Foosinho

    Foosinho New Member

    Jan 11, 1999
    New Albany, OH
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    Yes - Reagan grew the national debt by more than any president in modern history other than FDR, who had that pesky war against the Nazis to deal with.

    Apparently the myth of Reagan's fiscal responsibility still lives on.
     
  17. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    SpecialDave's already proven the answer.
     
  18. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Yes, as any reference to Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, or Fox News will prove, liberals never stoop to such tactics
     
  19. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    I thought the standard reply was that Dem congresses w/ Republican presidents increase the debt and the converse reduce it. I guess I keep on forgetting what is proven around here.
     
  20. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
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    Hell, even links to the WSJ, IBD, or the Financial Times are scoffed at here. Meanwhile DailyKOS and the Huffington Post are cited as fact.
     
  21. Ann Arbor FC

    Ann Arbor FC New Member

    Jan 27, 2008

    No one would argue that Reagan didn't increase the debt, his military spending was out of control, but to link that spending to economic growth is plain wrong.
     
  22. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
    In the doghouse
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Prove it. Cite examples or just admit that this is more of your "Look what I just pulled out of my ass" nonsense to go along with your usual M.O. of ineffectually sniping from the sidelines with strawmen and ad hominem attacks while providing nothing of substance. The only thing I can think of that comes close to your claims are WSJ Op Ed pieces (that often directly contradict the usually excellent actual reporting in its own pages) and nobody takes those seriously except the kind of people who believe Art Laffer is a great economist or that "the New Deal destroyed the American economy".

    ----------------

    That said, not all Republicans are "bad" per se but some of them seem to have exceedingly selective memory:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080129/ap_on_re_as/afghan_schools;_ylt=AqWDrNSJMyd9lEU_OFxfrKas0NUE
     
  23. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
    In the doghouse
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Care to back up your assertion with facts and reason?
     
  24. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Yeah, I know what you mean. The daily KOS is really disappointing these days. They have this funny 'encyclopedia' like wikipedia and their entry for Coulter used to be filled with absolute bile and loathing, it was great. Now it's been toned down to disdain, and there's even a blurb under her picture describing her as "Rush Limbaugh's brain inside Lisa Kudrow's body." Aside from that she's much smarter than Rush, it's almost a compliment!
     
  25. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    DC United
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    United States
    I'll match up Kos against a Bill Kristol op-ed any day of the week.
     

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