Democratic Failure Thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by MasterShake29, Mar 27, 2011.

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  1. xtomx

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    Sep 6, 2001
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    Whitelandia men, who are not Assholes and racists, do not fail us again.
     
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  2. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    You're not writing to a large audience.
     
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  3. xtomx

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    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    I disagree, it includes:
    -the vast majority of people on this site.
    -Almost every white male in a major city.
    We all have to step up and vote.
     
  4. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I was kidding. About 60% of white men appear to be hopeless politically, as I define the term, but the other 40% can be reasoned with. And you are right, we need as many of them as possible to vote for the Dem nominee.
     
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  5. charlie15

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    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
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    I guess this is the appropriate thread to post this. A NY Police union basically declaring war a the city Mayor.

     
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  6. fatbastard

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    Aug 1, 2003
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    I saw that. How messed up. What an asshole, I hope that guy gets the caronavirus ;)
    He also tweeted trump and asked for federal agents.

    Can you fire an entire police department? Are they just trying to make unions look bad, even if it's their own?

    DeBlasio is already way too cop/prosecutor-friendly, what the hell do they want?
     
  7. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Cops were getting water dumped on them so the cops' union blames de Blasio
     
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  8. xtomx

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    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    It is important to take a look at who is "supporting" the SBA (which I had to look up and is the Sargent's Benevolence Association, of retired and active NYPD Sergeants).

    Mike Cernovich and James Woods both "retweeted" this "declaration of war."

    Context, as always, is key.
     
  9. Timon19

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    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Police departments (or more precisely, "patrolmans' associations" and the like) being in open conflict with a mayor is a story as old as the formation of police unions in municipal PDs itself.
     
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  10. ceezmad

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    The problem is that in 2018 it was protect Obamacare from Trump and the republicans.

    In 2020 the party is divided between that 2018 platform and the Medicare for all platform.
     
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  11. Walia Ibex

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    Oct 2, 2019
    Dems are always in disarray. The field to go up against Trump is three septuagenarians, a no nothing 30 something mayor from a no nothing Indiana town and a bland piece of Minnesota wonder bread. Such a joke...
     
  12. charlie15

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    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
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    There is open conflict and there is a declaration of "war" against a duly elected Mayor by a Police union. That is simply shocking.
     
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  13. Timon19

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    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Yes, the word "war" has never ever been used as a rhetorical flourish, especially not when PDs and mayors are concerned!
     
  14. charlie15

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    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
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    When the world war is used by folks who are legally carrying guns, it takes a different meaning, as far as I am concerned.
     
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  15. Timon19

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    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    History didn't start yesterday.

    As long as I've been alive, medium and big city police unions and their mayors/city managers have been at one another's throats from time to time. Heated rhetoric has always been a part of it.
     
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  16. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    How about "vile creatures"?
     
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  17. charlie15

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    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
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    Interesting way to banalize something that looks like an obvious threat.
     
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  18. Timon19

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    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    You'll have to be more specific as I have no idea what this is in reference to.
     
  19. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Were you alive during the 80s?
     
  20. bigredfutbol

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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
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    I think you'd make a stronger point if you noted the larger context this is all happening in.

    Timon is correct, IMHO, that in and of itself, this isn't all that new. Police Unions have always been a bit hostile to civilian oversight and a wee bit stormtrooper-adjacent longer than I've been alive.

    What's troubling about this--again, IMHO--is that the institutions and norms we've all counted on to hold the Republic together and keep the American fascist moment at bay are increasingly hollowed-out and fraying at the edge. The restraints are loosening. The center is flying apart.

    And, you know, the executive branch of the Federal government is in the hands of an authoritarian demagogue.
     
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  21. Timon19

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    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Just a tad! And to be semi-fair, there are some mayors that are such tremendous assholes that they shouldn't be overseeing a couple of houseplants, let alone a small army of roided-up dudes that washed out of the Army.
     
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  22. ceezmad

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    Mar 4, 2010
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    Hey! some "washed out" of the Marines, they would be pissed if you said they were Army vets.
     
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  23. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    In the original anti deBlasio tweet
     
  24. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Reference pretty much any city that had 1968 riots.
     
  25. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    That may or may not be "the only reason", but my point is that it does. You just can't pretend Iowa is about just the tiny number of delegates at stake.
     

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