dema gets a late redcard from the league and nothing on top of it completely classless from the league and it's "disciplinary committee"
I'm glad to see that MLS didn't succumb to the lynch mob mentality too often in evidence on these boards. That's an appropriate decision.
They should have titled that press release, "Reckless challenges only mildly frowned upon by Major League Soccer." Good thing that they don't make the laws of this country. According to their line of thinking, if you drive 80 mph in a 30 mph zone and run down five people, you should only be ticketed for speeding.
Knave... this is a horrible decision, there is no protection of players' careers... someone can go and break another player's legs because it was almost halfway challengeable and expect to get a redcard at worst... nothing more the only reason you have the balls to say this is because ronnie o'brien isn't a young american... what if it had been beasley, donovan, convey, quaranta, twellman... the uproar would have been quite a bit more, instead it was a foreigner it's a completely reckless challenge... that's twice dema has broken legs on reckless challenges and not just two reckless challenges... he's been lucky on others... as have many other mls players... the league needs to stop it and this does nothing in the way of stopping reckless challenges, instead it gives a green light for them bravo mls, bravo
...what a brilliant comparison.....but why stop there? i personally think its on par with eating babies....or starting a nuclear war and then being REWARDED for doing so!!! HA! my ************************ :1 your ************************ :0
Thorg ashamed at MLS, thorg ashamed at Dema. Thorg see challenge, obviously late and brutal. Thorg think Dema is troglodyte. Thorg think MLS is gutless. Thorg think MLS is discouraging good skilled players from wanting to play in league, and encouraging no-skill hacks to play violent and ugly. Thorg no want watch MLS if it continue in this way. Thorg think MLS better get its act together before it called Ugly League Soccer.
The part that amused me was Now, let's think this through here. The Committee obviously thinks it was a reckless and dangerous challenge. Look at the way they describe it. It's fairly safe to say that they think it would've merited a straight red. So according to the Committee's reasoning, if the referee had done his job, he should've sent off Kovalenko, whether or not O'Brien gets hurt. A red card gets you a one-game suspension and a $250 fine if it's your first red of the season, which it would've been for Kovalenko. However, because he broke O'Brien's leg, Kovalenko gets slapped with a one-game suspension and a $1000 fine. So there you have it. The relevance of O'Brien's injury is that Kovalenko will be $750 lighter in the wallet. Now, you may ask yourself if a broken leg is worth $750. That, my friend, is a philosophical question that I can't answer.
el jefe... don't forget that since he received no yellow or red on it... even if he gets suspension points, it will most likely be less than those two (and as it wasn't mentioned... i'd assume he gets none)
El Jefe - I think that's essentially right. What's really strange about the findings is the degree to which the committee seems to justify the fine and suspension on the basis of O'Brien's injury. Had he walked away just fine nothing would come of this.
I agree, and that was the point that Bradley was making in his most recent column. The problem is that the league doesn't look at these things until someone gets hurt. But they should look at these kinds of challenges even when no one gets hurt. And if they had said, "We're not taking the seriousness of the injury into account. But you know, we looked at it, it was a reckless challenge, and it deserved a straight red," and had just given him one game and $250, there would've been some logic to that. Mind you, the punishment would not have been close to "fitting the crime," but it would've been logical. However, to say that the serious injury was relevant to their deliberations, then turn around and only slap him with another $750 because of it? That's just bullcrap.
QUOTE Knave... this is a horrible decision, there is no protection of players' careers... someone can go and break another player's legs because it was almost halfway challengeable and expect to get a redcard at worst... nothing more the only reason you have the balls to say this is because ronnie o'brien isn't a young american... what if it had been beasley, donovan, convey, quaranta, twellman... the uproar would have been quite a bit more, instead it was a foreigner it's a completely reckless challenge... that's twice dema has broken legs on reckless challenges and not just two reckless challenges... he's been lucky on others... as have many other mls players... the league needs to stop it and this does nothing in the way of stopping reckless challenges, instead it gives a green light for them bravo mls, bravo End of QUOTE Completely agree....Also from a purely financial standpoint, it would not matter if you give Kovalenko a 5000 dollar fine...The medical costs for O'Brien's recovery will surpass that by a lot...Even if MLS has insurance for all his players ( i really don't have detailed information on how this works), in the future whoever covers the cost of players injuries will want to charge more....
It's a little lighter than I expected, but only a little. And it's pretty consistent with other recent decisions. To wit: Stoitchkov. Two games (you could argue that it was actually four, I think) and $2,000 for an incident that was whistled as a foul and awarded a red card. Even so, the disciplinary committee concluded that he was making a play for the ball. Seeing as how the Dema play had no foul and no card, it's got to be less. Maybe you could argue that penalties should be less in the preseason, but that's kinda flimsy. Razov. Three games for stomping on Jay Heaps. Technically a two-game suspension, since he's gone from one for the red anyway. If that's the bar set for a deliberate attempt to injure, Kovalenko has to be less than that. Neither of these decisions took into consideration that the victim "is a nice guy," which seems to be an important determining factor for some people. Later, COZ
Re: Re: Dema tapped on Wrist Considering that Ivanov may be back by then, with Nelson sliding into an already crowded midfield, I wouldn't be surprised to see Dema sit. On the other hand, I'd think that the referee will be calling this match very close, and I doubt that the type of physical play we saw from both sides on Saturday will be tolerated. If a Burn player makes a reckless tackle on Dema especially, I think you can bet there will be an immediate red card given. So I highly doubt we'll see a "series of desperate challenges" from either side... but especially not on Dema. I'd also expect MLS to have extra security at the game considering that dozens of Burn fans have publicly posted that they will attempt to throw objects at Dema.
Nice guy? Kinda like Twellman is for the Revs. Kinda like McBride is for the the Crew. Kinda like Ruiz is for the LAG. Funny how the most dangerous, exciting player on the team is always such a popular guy, huh? Oh well, at least we can still watch the gritty hussling play of guys like Kovalenko.
Re: Re: Dema tapped on Wrist This reminds me of the game that Diallo played in the first time he faced the Metrostars after Amman's injury. Wasn't it Petke that tried to injure Diallo in that game? Didn't it get out of control? I would imagine that Hudson would sit Dema unless he didn't have enough players. Let the fans boo him on the bench.....
Re: Re: Re: Dema tapped on Wrist I disagree. Hell, what's Dallas got to lose? We're playing in a joke of a stadium and watching our most dangerous players hacked down by oafs. If we lost every game, but put Kovalenko in the hospital, it'd be a successful season with this fan. Who gives a damn if we lose the game or get a few red cards? I will allow that this opinion is not necessarily shared by all Burn fans.
May 31st. should prove to be very interesting indeed. It wouldn't surprise me to see somebody on the Burn pull a "Jack Ruby" on Dema's worthless ass and I can't say that I'd be sorry to see it happen. If the Dallas squad does nothing I'll be wondering where their spines went. The fine and the suspension are a joke considering Dema's history of dirty play and leg breaking.
Re: Re: Re: Dema tapped on Wrist Kovalenko best be on the lookout if he spends the game on the bench. The players' benches are only a couple feet from the stands, and no doubt there'll be some fans who wouldn't mind tossing an object or two in his direction.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dema tapped on Wrist More importantly, I don't think the Burn players and coaches value attempting to injure Dema over getting a win... because rest assured, intentional tackles on him will result in immedate red cards. Furthermore, I think the Disciplinary Committee is likely to take severe action against any premeditated and intentional attempts to injure another player. If anything truly warrants a lifetime ban from MLS, it would be such an action.