Dejavu? The 2020 off Season, catch-all discussion thread.

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  1. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Given the logjam in midfield, he is, at best 3rd on the depth chart for an outside position. My guess is that he is cut because DCU has a 17 year old, Griffin Yow, with far more upside than Boateng. In his limited action here, he looked more like a USL journeyman than anything else.
     
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  2. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That’s kind of what I’m hoping. I could see him returning to us as cheap a winger sub deep on the depth chart.

    He’s funny, You’d think he’d be the type of player that would be a devastating late sub with his speed attacking tired legs but he always had his best games for us as a starter.
     
  3. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
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  4. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    Word on the street is that TFC is trying to offload Jozy Altidore. I haven't heard anything linking him directly to DC. But I'm almost positive that it's going to happen because:

    1. It's a typical Kasper/Olsen late career reclamation move
    2. DC needs a forward and has a surplus of midfielders
    3. United ALWAYS brings in players that I personally despise
     
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  5. GumbyG

    GumbyG Member+

    DC United
    Mar 22, 2007
    Chesapeake, VA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nah. Point by point:
    1. We would insist TFC swallow $3-4M in salary for the next few years, and although they might protest otherwise, they don't hate him that much.
    2. To Kasper, this simply means we have to sign another midfielder.
    3. OK, you got me here.
     
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  6. Dizi

    Dizi Member

    Feb 13, 2015
    Club:
    DC United
    I'll endure any ridicule because i know my taste in players is weird. I loved Lucho to the end and never saw him as negatively as others. If I put my DC fandom aside my two favorite players to watch last year were Alesandar Katai & Julian Gressel because of all the chances they create. I thought DC could have picked up Katai but he's far too wasteful and inconsistent to fit with our team (or attract Kaspers attn).

    Gressel joining DCU was like a fanciful dream that i considered impossible because of how explosive and influential he is. It didn't seem like ATL would let such vital part of their squad leave so easily.

    I've really struggled to think of another player that would have me this hyped and i can't. This is the kind of ballsy move I've been dying for this team to make for yeeeeears. Whether it works perfectly or not, they are making a legit effort to improve the quality of our team :D

    That's literally all I've asked for from the FO all this time. You can't guarantee success in such an unpredictable sport but it always felt like they gave up even before the whistle blew.
     
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  7. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    If TFC really is trying to offload Altidore, they have a major problem. First, Altidore's promise has always exceeded actual performance. Second, that performance historically has been curtailed due to nagging injuries to muscles, something that doesn't get better as you age. Third, who is going to swallow that salary for a part time player? Fourth, Altidore is an ass, not that would stop a move if you can figure out items one through three.
     
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  8. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    We didn't let him go easily, rather the MLS salary cap requirements forced an action. A new contract would have meant locking him up for 4 years at top dollar which I don't think the AU front office was willing to do (he'll be 30 at the end of the contract). If we didn't deal him he would walk at the end of the year and we'd get nothing. So instead we get $1 million in TAM money and Gressel gets the payday he deserves. Win-win for both parties.

    As for Gressel's play, I think you are spot on. He and Josef Martinez had some sort of psychic connection and Gressel's assists were often sublime. He is probably the most accurate crosser in the league, has good speed, and always seems to draw defenders outwide, or if the defenders ignored him managed to put himself in a scoring position. Your money was well spent.
     
  9. Dizi

    Dizi Member

    Feb 13, 2015
    Club:
    DC United
    This is an excellent point. I've been a bit surprised that a small subset of ATL fans feel like he was asking for too much money...but this puts in better perspective the fact that duration of the deal may have scared ATL off more than any specific dollar amount

    It definitely could be a win-win (and I hope so cause i like all parties involved...even FDB)
     
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  10. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Also keep in mind that the Atlanta model is to buy low and young, develop the player, and then sell high. We plucked Gressel from the draft (hence his embarrassing low salary) and are selling him after 3 very productive years. It fits our long term plan, but it sucks for fans like me that loved the guy. Julian was great on the field and off and will be a great ambassador for DC United. The 17s at AU are sorry to see him go but wish him nothing but the best.
     
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  11. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    And why the disclaimer on FdB? You sound like an Atlanta United fan who love to hate the guy. ;)
     
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  12. Dizi

    Dizi Member

    Feb 13, 2015
    Club:
    DC United
    Well, I remember his playing days and have utmost respect and admiration for the guy.

    I know the ATL fan base is divided (and wasn't sure where you stand on the issue) but I'm glad he's done well enough to stick around. He made some tactical mistakes early on but has been malleable enough to tweak his plans and give the team a chance to compete.

    In a different world (where the likes of Torrent and Barros Schelotto didn't also have great 1st yrs) he might have won more recognition from media and fans for adjusting to MLS so quickly.
     
  13. QPR Kevin H

    QPR Kevin H BigSoccer Supporter

    May 23, 2001
    Silver Spring, MD
    Club:
    Queens Park Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    It's amazing how hard this is to find through official channels but could someone help me with:

    How do you order 2020 season tickets for the supporters sections (136/137)?

    And how much are they this season?

    Ticketmaster gives me no options for the sections and the club just says go to Ticketmaster. Thanks!
     
  14. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought the process was:

    First, you join a supporter's group - then you buy season tickets through them.

    But looking through the Screaming Eagles' store, I only see individual tickets on sale.
     
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  15. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Tom Hunt must be in charge of the process.
     
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  16. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    I think I've found the one subject on this board that there is unanimity on.
     
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  17. pats1237

    pats1237 Member

    Oct 28, 2006
    The District
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You do not have to order tickets through a supporters group. However it appears the interactive seat viewer doesn't make 136 and 137 available. Might want to double check with the team again?
     
  18. Atouk

    Atouk BigSoccer Supporter

    DC United
    Apr 16, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    Queens Park Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And it would have been Atlanta's money well spent, as well. Players that fairly fit that description often cost more than $700k/year.

    And *knockwood* there's really no reason to think that a deal from ages 26-29 is problematic (he'll turn 30 in the final days of this deal after the 2023 season is over). That's a perfect window for his prime. It's not like we signed him until he'll be 33 or something.
     
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  19. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    I am just a fish swimming upstream, but I think we are lucky to have a coach of his stature that fits exactly into what we are trying to build. Most of our fan base thinks differently and all bow to St. Tata. GBS was the 1st choice of the mob. Apparently you and I see things that others don't.
     
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  20. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    As I said, it was win-win for all parties. Perhaps I should have said win-win-win and included DCU. We love Julian Gressel in Atlanta, but sometimes MLS rules make it impossible to keep a player you love.
     
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  21. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    I keep seeing that line used, but no rules prevented Atlanta from spending the money other than not wanting to. They didn't want to offer it when Gressel asked about a new deal in 2018, they didn't want to offer it in 2019 when it became clear he wasn't happy, and they weren't going to offer it in 2020 despite giving Hyndman a larger deal. The reality is that Gressel felt Atlanta was lowballing him, and Atlanta wanted to spend the money elsewhere on the roster.
     
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  22. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    The MLS byzantine salary rules mean every contract is business. Do you really believe if it was simply a matter of money Gressel wouldn't still be wearing the 5 stripes? Our owner is Daddy Warbucks and Julian Gressel was loved in Atlanta by fans, coach, and front office.
     
  23. John L

    John L Member+

    Sep 20, 2003
    Alexandria, VA
    Nope
     
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  24. UnitedBorn

    UnitedBorn Member+

    Dec 7, 2015
    301
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It isn't a matter of Atlanta not being able to afford the money. It is a matter of Atlanta not thinking Gresselmania was worth the money.
     
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  25. UnitedBorn

    UnitedBorn Member+

    Dec 7, 2015
    301
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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