Deepest team in the World Cup 2006

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by levineto, Dec 15, 2005.

  1. FCPorto_Dragao

    Jun 15, 2005
    E DUBs
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    England easily has the most depth. I'd say Brazil, but their defenders are horrible os that doesn't really count for depth whereas for every position in the England squad, they have an apt replacement who doesn't fall off much in terms of quality from the starter.

    Terry, Rio, Sol, Ashely Cole, King, Carragher, Neville, Bridge, anyone can start

    Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Joe Cole, Shaun Wright Phillips, Jenas, Hargreaves

    Rooney, Owen, Defoe, Bent


    any player can start
     
  2. royalstilton

    royalstilton Member

    Aug 2, 2004
    SoCal
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
     
  3. levineto

    levineto New Member

    Dec 15, 2005
    Miami
    Wait a second...are you actually saying here that England has depth?? Please, review what you wrote and count how many players you have.. 19!!
    Guess what, this does not even cover the number of players you need at a World Cup...much less consider it deep.. Brazil has about 5 more teams besides the starting team of top level players and at least 2 teams, besides the starting team that are quite excelent players like Juninho Pernambucano, Fred, Robinho, Edu, Gilberto Silva, Dudu, Vagner Love, Julio Batista, Elano, Renato, Alex (PSV), Alex (Fenerbache), and much more...
     
  4. Colm

    Colm Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    UK
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    No we don't, we have a great starting eleven but we don't have that many replacements after that, We are deep in the defencive position but if one of our strikers or our goalkeeper gets injured than it aint so good.

    Brazil, Argentina and Italy seem to be the most depth squad heading to the world cup.
     
  5. FCPorto_Dragao

    Jun 15, 2005
    E DUBs
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    how can you guys say Brazil has more depth if they can't even field a proper defensive line? Sure, I'm not saying they don't have depth at midfield or striker positions because they have tonnes...but you guys asked for depth and correct me if I'm wrong, but depth means you have to be strong at every position and have adequate backup...something Brazil has in the attacking realm of their squad but their defence is lacking hard....Roque Junior? haha please. I'm not an England supporter by any means...I just call as I see it. I enjoy watching them play as I do with any team, but i just think England can field a strong b team where Brazil can field strong b team, but even in the a team, defending will always be a question mark.
     
  6. royalstilton

    royalstilton Member

    Aug 2, 2004
    SoCal
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Realistically, you need about 22 players for a competitive WC squad, two complete teams. It would be good to have a third netminder, but it isn't essential. England has the necessary components. As far as forwards are concerned, they have Owen, Rooney, Defoe, Bent, and Crouch to pick from. Vassell's stock may rise in the next months.

    Midfield has Gerrard, Lampard, J Cole, SWP, Beckham, Hargreaves, Jenas, Ledley King and Downing, plus Michael Carrick and Kieron Richardson, who are fringe players IMO

    On the backline: A Cole, Terry, R. Ferdinand, Campbell, Carragher, Neville, Woodgate (but he's never fit), Bridge, and Luke Young, plus Paul Konchesky and Matthew Upson.

    Goaltenders are Robinson, James, Kirkland and Carson. Interesting that 3 are Liverpool alumni.
     
  7. ITALIA1982

    ITALIA1982 Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    England & Italy
     
  8. simonb_nyc

    simonb_nyc New Member

    Jun 7, 2005
    New York
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    You have got to be kidding. England has a great starting 11 but with injuries they're screwed. Italy will not advance out of the group stage.
     
  9. ITALIA1982

    ITALIA1982 Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I never thought that Italy will advance to the second round, naturaly Mighty USA is in our group so we stand no chance!!!
     
  10. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Brazil's defensive line is fine. It does its job. It's better than what we've had in the past. Roque Junior is really the only atrocious defender we have on the team, and he doesnt even start anymore. Our depth at defense is fine too. There really isnt that much difference between say Juan, one of our starting central defenders and some of our backups, like Cris or Luisao. But yeah, we still have an average defense, but for the most part we have adequate backup. And, we are set for the future at the wings with Cicinho/Rafinha for Cafu and Gustavo Nery for Roberto Carlos.
     
  11. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    Argentina could field 10 brilliant midfielders and Pato Abbondanzieri and perhaps win a World Cup.

    But they have little depth up front, little depth in defense, and after Pato they fall off a 1,000-foot cliff at the keeper position.

    I don't define that as depth.
     
  12. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    it was nice to see Pato redeem himself from that horrid Copa America. After seeing that game, I was convinced he should never be a goalie again. Proved me wrong with Boca at the Sudamericana.
     
  13. snigacookie

    snigacookie New Member

    Sep 28, 2004
    i dont think argentina and brazil deserve the limelight here. they lack in defensive qualities. all their flair is in the midfield and attack. thank god brazil have dida now, without him theyd be in trouble. I don't think that either team will perform as well because all the players will be tired from all the other games they have to participate in at the club levels. Coaches won't be as willing at the to give youngsters at the higher clubs an opportunity to shine. If they have not performed already then it is doubtful that their benches will have any significant impact.
     
  14. Riker

    Riker Member

    Jan 26, 2005
    US
    Brazil #1

    Dida (Milan - ITA)
    Cafu (Milan - ITA)
    Juan (Leverkusen - GER)
    Lucio (Munichen - GER)
    R. Carlos (Madrid - SPA)
    Emerson (Juventus - ITA)
    Zé Roberto (Munichen - GER)
    Kaka (Milan - ITA)
    Ronaldinho (Barcelona - SPA)
    Ronaldo (Madrid - SPA)
    Adriano (Inter - ITA)

    Brazil #2

    Julio Cesar (Inter - ITA)
    Cicinho (São Paulo - BRA)
    Cris (Lyon - FRA)
    Alex (PSV - NED)
    Serginho (Milan - ITA)
    Gilberto (Arsenal - ENG)
    Edu (Valencia - SPA)
    Juninho (Lyon - FRA)
    Alex (Fenerbahçe - TUR)
    Robinho (Madrid - SPA)
    R. Oliveira (Betis - SPA)

    Brazil #3

    Rogerio (São Paulo - BRA)
    Mancini (Roma - ITA)
    Roque Junior (Leverkusen - GER)
    Luisão (Benfica - POR)
    Gilberto (Hertha Berlin - GER)
    Renato (Sevilla - SPA)
    Motta (Barcelona - SPA)
    J. Baptista (Madrid - SPA)
    Lincoln (Schalke - GER)
    Fred (Lyon - FRA)
    Vagner Love (CSKA - RUS)

    Brazil #4

    Marcos (Palmeiras - BRA)
    Belletti (Barcelona - SPA)
    Edmílson (Barcelona - SPA)
    Caçapa (Lyon - FRA)
    G. Nery (Corinthians - BRA)
    Assunção (Betis - SPA)
    Simplício (Parma - ITA)
    Ricardinho (Santos - BRA)
    Diego (Porto - POR)
    R. Sóbis (Internacional - BRA)
    Marcelinho (Hertha Berlin - GER)

    Brazil #5

    Gomes (PSV - NED)
    Maicon (Monaco - FRA)
    Anderson (Benfica - POR)
    Bordon (Schalke - GER)
    Léo (Benfica - POR)
    Rogério (Sporting - POR)
    Elano (Shaktar - UKR)
    Carvalho (CSKA - RUS)
    Fernandão (Internacional - BRA)
    Liédson (Sporting - POR)
    Grafite (São Paulo - BRA)

    Good players but out of Brazil top 55:

    Gabriel (Fluminense), Rafinha (Schalke 04), Junior (Sao Paulo), Fabio Aurélio (Valencia), Sylvinho (Barcelona), Dedé (Dortmund), Roger (Corinthians), Deivid (Sporting), Dudu Cearense (?), Rivaldo (Greek team), Taddei (Roma), Fernando Baiano (Celta), Edu (Betis).

    Did I forget anyone? That's one deep NT.
     
  15. Daniel Alves - Right Wing Back - Sevilla
    Mozart - Central Mid - formerly with Reggina but now in Russia?
     
  16. El viejo Matias

    May 21, 2005
    Canada
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    look just listing off a bunch of players does not mean there is depth, like some brazil fan boys are doing here. In that case Argentina could do the same. However i must disagree that we have no depth in attack, ( strikers ), I mean we have Cruz, Figueroa, Saviola, Tevez, Crespo, Delgado, Cavenaghi, Palacios, those are some up for grabs. In defence we have depth but we have not really experimented in time to really be confident whom to use, Milito, Ayala, Samuel, Collicini, Quiroga, Placente, Zanetti, Sorin, Heinze, Gonzalo Rodriguez, Schiavi, Burdisso, Cufre and some others.So how is this not enough depth?? Yes in the goal area we have many a question mark, yet I feel talent is there, but pekermann has not seen it in time... Ustari comes to mind as does the young number two in Villareal!!
     
  17. levineto

    levineto New Member

    Dec 15, 2005
    Miami
    Oh my god...another frustrated argentinian. We are not just giving you a list with a bunch of players...if you take a look at a great post 2 comments above, you will have 5, that's right, 5 teams made with brazilian players that all of them could easily be playing at World Cup level. No other nation has ever had that amount of good players, Argentina is very deep, right after England, but c'mon!! 5 teams made out of top level players...players that are playing in top level clubs worldwide, not even I thought we could assemble so many good teams.
     
  18. Sempre

    Sempre ****************** Member+

    Mar 4, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Very impressive. Surely Brazil have the most depth. I'll try
    three Azzurri line-ups to see what it looks like:

    #1

    Cassano (Roma); Toni (Fiorentina);
    Totti (Roma);
    Gattuso (Milan), Pirlo (Milan), Camoranesi (Juve);
    Grosso (Palermo); Zambrotta (Juve);
    Cannavaro (Juve), Nesta (Milan);
    Buffon (Juve).

    #2

    Del Piero (Juve); Gilardino (Milan);
    Montolivo (Fiorentina);
    De Rossi (Roma), Maresca (Sevilla), Diana (Sampdoria);
    Chiellini (Juve), Zaccardo (Palermo);
    Barzagli (Palermo), Materazzi (Inter);
    Roma (Monaco).

    #3

    Pazzini (Fiorentina), Inzaghi (Milan);
    DiMichele (Udinese);
    Donadel (Fiorentina); Barone (Palermo); Gasbarroni (Sampdoria);
    Pasqual (Fiorentina), Bonera (Parma);
    Bovo (Roma); Iuliano (Mallorca);
    Cudicini (Chelsea).

    And why not one more? #4

    Lupoli (Arsenal), Miccoli (Benfica);
    Rossi (Man. U);
    Ambrosini (Milan); Perrotta (Roma); Blasi (Juve);
    Balzaretti (Juve), Marzoratti (Milan);
    Potenza (Mallorca), Coda (Empoli);
    Toldo (Inter)

    That's really quite good, if you think about it.
     
  19. levineto

    levineto New Member

    Dec 15, 2005
    Miami
    That is very good SEMPRE, congratulations...I was surprised. I am starting to think that Italy has even more depth than England and Argentina... Guess what, let's chalenge a british and argentinian fan to try to get as much team formations they can and see if they could beat Brazil and Italy! ;)
     
  20. bsas

    bsas Member

    May 27, 2004
    Switzerland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Ok, I'll start. My countryfolks can add all the players I have probably missed.

    ARGENTINA TEAM A

    Abbondanzieri (Boca)
    Coloccini (La Coruña)
    Ayala (Valencia)
    Heinze (ManU)
    Sorin (Villareal)
    Zanetti (Inter)
    Mascherano (Corinthians)
    Riquelme (Villareal)
    Messi (Barça)
    Crespo (Chelsea)
    Tevez (Corinthians)

    ARGENTINA TEAM B

    Lux (River Plate)
    Samuel (Inter)
    Milito (Zaragoza)
    Gonzalo (Villareal)
    Cambiasso (Inter)
    Aimar (Valencia)
    Maxi Rodriguez (Atletico Madrid)
    Bilos (Boca)
    Kily Gonzalez (Inter)
    Rosales (Ajax)
    Cruz (Inter)

    ARGENTINA TEAM C

    Barbosa (Villareal)
    Placente (Celta Vigo)
    Burdisso (Inter)
    Demichelis (Bayern)
    Bernardi (Monaco)
    Lucho (Porto)
    Veron (Inter)
    Santana (Palermo)
    Solari (Inter)
    Saviola (Sevilla)
    Maxi Lopez (Barça)

    I have a few players left for TEAM D:

    Saja (GK, San Lorenzo)
    D'Alessandro (Wolfsburg)
    Zabaleta (Espanyol)
    Galletti (Atletico Madrid)
    Aguero (Villareal?..)
    Palacio (Boca)
    Figueroa (Villareal)
    Delgado (Cruz Azul)

    Please add all the ones I have missed into a D and maybe E team.
     
  21. El viejo Matias

    May 21, 2005
    Canada
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yeah there is Calvo, Bilos, Insua, Gallardo ( sorry I don't know if you mentioned him) Ibarra, Clemente Rodriguez, Cejas, ... others to follow.
     
  22. bsas

    bsas Member

    May 27, 2004
    Switzerland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Indeed, some of these are worth to be included.

    ARGENTINA TEAM A

    Abbondanzieri (Boca)
    Coloccini (La Coruña)
    Ayala (Valencia)
    Heinze (ManU)
    Sorin (Villareal)
    Zanetti (Inter)
    Mascherano (Corinthians)
    Riquelme (Villareal)
    Messi (Barça)
    Crespo (Chelsea)
    Tevez (Corinthians)

    ARGENTINA TEAM B

    Lux (River Plate)
    Samuel (Inter)
    Milito (Zaragoza)
    Gonzalo (Villareal)
    Cambiasso (Inter)
    Aimar (Valencia)
    Maxi Rodriguez (Atletico Madrid)
    Bilos (Boca)
    Kily Gonzalez (Inter)
    Rosales (Ajax)
    Cruz (Inter)

    ARGENTINA TEAM C

    Barbosa (Villareal)
    Placente (Celta Vigo)
    Burdisso (Inter)
    Demichelis (Bayern)
    Bernardi (Monaco)
    Lucho (Porto)
    Veron (Inter)
    Santana (Palermo)
    Solari (Inter)
    Saviola (Sevilla)
    Maxi Lopez (Barça)

    ARGENTINA TEAM D:

    Saja (GK, San Lorenzo)
    Ibarra (Espanyol)
    Zabaleta (Espanyol)
    Galletti (Atletico Madrid)
    Gallardo (River Plate)
    D'Alessandro (Wolfsburg)
    Insua (Boca)
    Aguero (Villareal?..)
    Palacio (Boca)
    Figueroa (Villareal)
    Delgado (Cruz Azul)

    Any good players left for a TEAM E? Maybe a bit out of topic, but I have always wondered about a few Argentinian players that do great in the FC Basel (Switzerland). These are:

    Matias Emilio Delgado (FCB)
    Cesar Andres Carignano (FCB)
    Julio Hernan Rossi (FCB)
    Christian "Jimmy" Gimenez (now moved to Olympique Marseille)

    These players had key roles in the successes of this club (many times Swiss champions, CL qualification), specially Delgado. Yet we are talking Swiss league, so it may not mean much outside. Would they deserve our E team?
     
  23. El viejo Matias

    May 21, 2005
    Canada
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I always liked Gimenez, and I wonder where this kid called Vatigliano ended up, we also have some in Greece hiding out??

    Thing is I think you are all missing my point from earlier and I was just as guilty as the rest. Naming a bunch of players does not really show depth, I mean we have to be really serious about how many of these players could and or would break into the first team. many players we named and as well as the players the Brazilian fans named I think would be hard pressed to fit into the final roster. I would say both the teams have maybe 35 world class players to choose from in the end to go to the big show next summer and would 3 to 4 of the biggest names be injured... and that includes the likes of England, Italy and the rest, the chances of victory or even a good performance would be drastically hampered.
     
  24. Sempre

    Sempre ****************** Member+

    Mar 4, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Well, England are very deep in central defense and in midfield.
    It's quite a luxury to have all of Terry, Campbell, Carragher, and
    Ferdinand. There are a couple of places--goal-keeper, holding
    midf, and center-forward--where England could be deeper. But
    they have a really strong squad.

    Rooney of course has no replacement. But a player like Rooney
    comes along very rarely . . . .
     
  25. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    England really have no one after Rooney and Owen. Not much experience at all. They probably wouldve beaten Portugal had they had Rooney in Euro 04.
     

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