http://www.misl.net/news/?cat=1&id=1306 Monday May 19, 2003 Westport, Conn.- Major Indoor Soccer League Commissioner Steve Ryan announced today, with approval from the League Management Committee, the reinstatement of the single-goal scoring system. The decision was made at the League meetings held in Baltimore, Maryland, May 15 and 16. The single goal scoring system will be adopted in the upcoming 2003-04 MISL season. “The Major Indoor Soccer League is constantly evaluating its’ position in many areas of improving the game of indoor soccer. The multi-point system was not traditional in worldwide soccer, therefore, the MISL opted to rejoin the mainstream and go back to the single goal scoring system,” commented Commissioner Ryan while announcing the MISL management committee decision. Prior to this decision, a multi-point scoring system had been in place since the 1988-89 American Indoor Soccer Association (AISA) season, which then continued under the National Professional Soccer League (NPSL) and the MISL. Under the multi-point system, teams were given the opportunity to earn two or three-point goals. The original MISL (1978-92), Continental Indoor Soccer League (CISL) and the World Indoor Soccer League (WISL) all used the single goal scoring system during their respective seasons. The present MISL continued the multi-point system when it started back in December of 2001 and continued through the 2002-03 MISL season. MISL Director of Soccer Operations and former Force player David Grimaldi said, “History and tradition has prevailed, the game is all important.” The Major Indoor Soccer League is a single-entity organization featuring coast-to-coast presence with ten teams throughout the United States. The MISL is “the single major league of indoor soccer,” playing 149-game schedule that begins in October 2003 and concludes in March 2004. For more information on the MISL visit the League’s website at www.MISL.net.
yea, good to see them coming back to traditional scoring...not that indoor soccer is traditional, but...
Arrrggghhh! (just kidding) What?!? No more football or slow-pitch softball scores? No more 3-point arcs? What's this world coming to? What? Huh? Oh, wait a minute...I'm okay now. I'm glad somebody in the wall-ball world has finally come to their senses. It'll almost be a real game now (hee-hee). Seriously, this will put a boxcar load of credibility back into the indoor game. It's a good deal.
<Singing> It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood.... Now, lets see if Ryan can make 2 intellegent decisions in a row? What's the second, you ask? RESIGN!
1 Point Goals! The league just announced that they are changing their scoring system. Starting next season they will go back to the 1 goal-1 point system. Finally! It's about time! What took them so long? Indoor soccer scoring the way it ought to be and should have been. My prayers have been answered. No more silly 2 ands 3 point goals! Halleluja! Plus, St. Louis Steamers are back in the league! Now if only Harrisburg relocated to Pittsburg and renames itself the Spirit...... Deep down inside, you know I'm right... Don't let the bastards get you down!
Are they going to go back to the "small goals" the NASL used during its first indoor tournament? More seriously, this scoring change is a good idea. Tony
Wow! real nice ass!!! Seems like you want to have the days of Paxos again huh!?!?! NIce job Ryan!! Keep up the good work!!!
What hasn't Ryan done right? When he came aboard, there was no national TV deal. Now there's a national TV deal. When he came aboard, the multi-point scoring system was in place. Now it's gone. Attendance was up around 8% this year. It was up last year as well. What do you want the guy to do? Indoor soccer's a tough sell. The league's making progress. It's moving in the right direction. And that's more than you could've said during much of the Paxos reign.
Kenn... I don't "HATE" Ryan...i just think he has no clue on how to run a soccer league. He doesn't know indoor soccer from applesauce. BenchRobSmith...One of the major reasons that the MISL attendance was up by that glorious 8 percent was the addition of Dallas, who averaged something along the lines of 7800 per game. Take that number out of the equation, and then see what you get. Oh, and his great work in getting the league on FSW? BFD. How about getting the league on a network that the average fan actually gets! To be honest Rob, the direction the league is going in is kinda like a dog chasing his tail. As much as Stevie boy likes to think that this is the "Real" MISL, it's still the same NPSL crap in a different package. Adriaticfunds...You really need some new material. The stuff you have now sucks.
What "average fan?" You think ESPN is gonna give indoor soccer some airtime? Come on. What kind of soccer fan (of any kind) doesn't get Fox Sports World, if at all possible? I don't follow MISL (although--thanks to the deal on FSW--I have seen a few games recently), but it sounds like you have some really unrealistic expectations of this guy.
Okay. Average MISL attendance in 2001-2002: 5,065 Average attendance of those same 6 teams this year: 5,210 Take Dallas and San Diego out of the equation and attendance is still up for the second consecutive season. And regardless of how or why the number is up, it is up. Dallas was not in the league before Ryan was the commissioner, now Dallas is in the league. As a result, attendance is up even more than it would have been. He deserves at least some credit for that. What do you want the guy to do? Buy time on ESPN? Where's that money supposed to come from? How much have you offered to donate? Take what you can get and work to make the situation better. FSW is better than nothing. Minor progress is better than no progress at all. With all due respect, I see progress here. It may not be as fast as you'd like, but as I said before, attendance is up, the league is as stable as it's been in years, and there's a national TV deal on a network that's available to virtually everyone who wants it. Even if that's true, what would you have him do differently? It's easy to complain. It's harder to come up with solutions. The thing is, these team owners aren't billionaires. They can't just go out and lose tens of millions of dollars like MLS can. Fiscal responsibility is the key to the league's survival. It's not like massive revenue streams are going to come rolling in all at once. If they can figure out a way to increase revenue by 5-10% a year and keep costs under control, I'll be taking my grandchildren to games 30 years from now. If not, I'll have to bust out my tapes of the '94 NPSL championship series and try to explain to them what made indoor soccer so great.
BTW, indoor soccer attendance figures are here. If anyone can help fill in any of the blanks, please let me know. Last year's MISL averages by team are at www.kenn.com/soccer
Re: Re: Re: Death to Multi-Point Scoring At least nine different games aired. http://www.misl.net/news/?id=782&cat=1 Yes, it was. I'm not saying it was great. I'm saying it was progress. Again, something is better than nothing. I'm not saying Steve Ryan is some sort of conquering hero or anything, but having games covered poorly on Fox Sports World is better than having games not covered at all anywhere. Isn't it? Would you rather those games not be televised at all? How is no television be better than what we have now?
this thread is suppose to be about the return of the single point scoring not with you like the commish or not
Thank God. Not only was the multi-point scoring system an aesthetic disaster, but I found it a personal thorn in my side...as Kenn can appreciate, the 3-2-1 system is a real pain when you are compiling databases. Especially goalkeeper databases.
Yeah, you have to set everybody up with a multi-point capability, even if they never played in it, and it requires a lot more work to make lists of things. Not impossible, just a lot of work.
I actually split the indoor years between (original) MISL/NASL/CISL/EISL and NPSL. It was easier on the eye. But printing the database out is not so simple...thanks to the NPSL system, I have to reduce it to, like, 6 point font. No so easy on the eye. For field players, it hasn't been so bad. Still, it makes me wonder if I should even include the indoor stats. There's enough there already with the outdoor stats, what with the NASL, 1920s ASL, all the minor leagues, etc. Indoor involves so few GKers on the list, I wonder if it's worth it, as much as I prefer to include the indoor data.
Hopefully Multi-Point Scoring Will Return [soapbox] No wonder you can't follow the old MISL scoring system...THERE ARE NO 1-POINT GOALS! Apparently you are just generally and completely confused as a matter of daily routine. How complicated was the scoring system?!? It was even more simplistic that basketball's (no free-throws). Ball in goal=2, ball in goal from behind line=3, that's it. Yes, it makes so much sense to change the entire tenor of a game - in the same negatively regressive way it would be if basketball wiped out all 3 point shots - to satisfy people who compile databases. Here's a clue, if you compile databases and you have a problem dealing with the existance a simple toggle variable ("A" or "B"), maybe you need to get a new hobby; or definitely a new career if that's your living. First consider this: All fans go to a soccer game to see goals. Anything less is universally disappointing. Here's the history lesson. Back when MISL was a major draw in most MISL markets, atendance started to slide, teams moved, failed, etc. Among the reasons was the lack of an appealing game. Among the many causes of that was the tendency of unskilled or out-manned teams to exclusively use tactics to eliminate any pace or flow. Admitteedly, all defenses will do this to a degree regardless of rules. However, the 3-point line created the risk of incuring a higher penalty for such tactics - a one-half of a goal penalty per conversion. Risk v reward. It also created a situation where pullling the GK late created the same acceptance of the half a goal risk. Said another way, the 3-point line had the direct effect of keeping the game "honest" to a higher degree for longer periods of game time. Risk v reward. Also a team 3 goals down could use the line to be only 2 down. Risk v reward. A bad keeper was penalized punitively for not stopping a 50 ft. shot. Why take the long bomb and risk the turnover now? Sure there are still reasons, but two things are fact. The reasons are now lessened and so is the reward for being spectacularly more accurate from distance. These are just the surface ways that MISL was helped by the 3-line. It's perfectly understandable how "Euro-snobs", "soccer traditionalists", "indoor-bashers", and their ilk can line-up like lemmings to jump off the jagged cliff of justification. They were not watching/attending anyway. But it's absolutly baffling how anyone who likes the indoor game can think this helps indoor's aesthetics. How is it possible that a game that will now have measurably less intrinsic risk v reward can be more interesting? The answer: It can not and will not. Don't take this to an extreme like an idiot and ask if I want 4-pointers. That's rediculous. For all of the same reasons basketball is a better game with 3s, and other reasons; MISL is a better game with them. It should be noted that not coincidently after announcing this rule change, talking to people who do understand and are less concerned with appealing to the likes of you, and realizing their mistake; MISL has decided to add to scoring a bit after their short-sighted collosal subtraction. In '03-'04 red cards will now carry a 2-minute penalty and subsequent power play. Dirt clod in the ocean. [/soapbox]