Death Penalty Opponents/Proponents - Check This Out

If you truly believe in the death penalty, you should have said you wished this guy had gotten away, and that someone who kinda looked like him was put in the electric chair in his place.

Because that's what happens with the death penalty, after all. If you're fine with innocent people being executed, support the death penalty. If you're not, then, you should rethink your stance.

 

Cascarino - Check This Out

http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/01/31/illinois.executions.02/

"We have now freed more people than we have put to death under our system -- 13 people have been exonerated and 12 have been put to death," Ryan told CNN. "There is a flaw in the system, without question, and it needs to be studied."

This isn't just an Illinois problem. Our former Republican(!) governor was just more honest than most about the problem.

I know death penalty supporters support the DP primarily get a fleeting sense of justice done and therefore a cheap moment of emotional satisfaction when someone is executed, but I won't support the DP until you can guarantee me human perfection in determining the guilt or innocence of accused persons.

 

To paraphrase George Will, the death penalty is a government program; and what government program works in a fair, equitiable & efficient manner?

A good way to cut down on executions is to cut down on the Market for them.

When was the last time your local Anheuser Busch distributor shot up your local Coors' distributor's house?

When was the last time Robert Mondavi burned down your local Albertsons because they didn't pay for their Merlot on time?

 

Pure idiocy

 

What a stunning use of facts and reason to refute Dan's post. Truly, sir, you are a great intellect! Wang.

 

Dude, this isn't even a theoretical argument anymore. It's been proven. Innocent people are on death row. If you're in favor of the death penalty, you're in favor of flat-out murder. Why not just implement Shirley Jackson's lottery, for all the use the death penalty is?

Oh, but it serves as a deterrent! Yeah, because, someone who's falsely accused and sent to death row won't make THAT mistake again.

 

Unless what Dan spouted has never happened, you've got even less point with this post than you normally do.

Is it really a deterrent? Doesn't seem to be.

Y'all could take a leaf out of the EU's book and largely dispose of it.
Yes, yes, I know it's unAmerican, but we struggle on nonetheless.

 

Re: Re: Cascarino - Check This Out

Why do you hate America?

 

You've obviously forgotten our previous thread on this topic, where Herr Boston likened innocent people put to death as collateral damage and acceptable.

 

52% isn't flawed enough?

Let's see if you can make the connection.

 

Did you even read the link I posted? Former gov. Ryan is a Republican, by the way.

 

Re: Cascarino - Check This Out

And I'm sure that you oppose traffic lights because it can't be guaranteed that they won't malfunction and cause the death of some poor soul...

And guns for police, and smallpox vaccinations, and just about everything else you can do in this world.

 

The fact that you don't mind seeing innocent people die ("I admit the system is not perfect, but it isnt not flawed enough to drop it.. ") in order to preserve the death penalty kinda backs that up, doncha think?

 

Re: Re: Cascarino - Check This Out

If they malfunctioned 52% of the time, I'd think it would be a good idea to reassess their efficacy.

 

Re: Re: Cascarino - Check This Out

Judging by your post, I'm sure that you oppose analogies that actually have some resemblance to the topic under discussion.

Dismissed.

 

It never ceases to amaze me how normally intelligent people can just ignore all evidence to the contrary when it conflicts with their most deeply-held beliefs.

Go google Illinois death penalty Ryan and get smart on what appears to be the upwards of 20% or more of Illinois death row inmates who are/were wrongly convicted and/or just plain innocent.

Then check out the ongoing cases in Texas (Gringo, someone help me out with a name here) where the county prosecutors and underpaid PDs, basically set up a death-row assembly line for any two-time felon who was African-American.

Hell, there's nothing wrong, per se with the death penalty as a concept. But its completely f***** over as it is implemented by a power-mad, overzealous, racist criminal justice bureacracy.

 

Re: Re: Cascarino - Check This Out

Great idea, just as soon as we add a 3rd choice, "Really, really guilty, we really mean it, we're sure this time. Really" to our current paltry choices of "guilty" and "not guilty."