Deal done, Metros seek midfield chief

Discussion in 'New York Red Bulls' started by Gamblor, Dec 26, 2002.

  1. Gamblor

    Gamblor New Member

    May 17, 1999
    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/story/46474p-43724c.html

    I'm guessing Andy Williams will be traded, but to which team?
     
  2. John_Harkes_6

    John_Harkes_6 New Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Baltimore, MD.
    How does NY have another allocation left?
     
  3. metrocorazon

    metrocorazon Member

    May 14, 2000
    We dont need an allocation to sign these people.
     
  4. John_Harkes_6

    John_Harkes_6 New Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Baltimore, MD.
    Well I know there are discovery picks but the article mentions NY has an allocation as well. Is the author wrong or am I missing something? I didn't think NY got another allocation for Diallo but I could be wrong.
     
  5. Dan R

    Dan R New Member

    Jun 1, 1997
    Metro
    You are wrong.
     
  6. MetroFreekieDeekie

    MetroFreekieDeekie New Member

    Dec 19, 2002
    You mean Richie Williams isn't a great midfielder???
     
  7. Mr. T

    Mr. T New Member

    Sep 29, 2002
    Somewhere or other
    Does the fact that we only have 2 SIs mean that we automatically get allocated a third? I thought the Faria-Bradley thing counted as an allocation...
     
  8. Metros Striker10

    Metros Striker10 New Member

    Jul 7, 2001
    Planet Earth
    Maybe we can get Donadoni! He played really great when he was with the Metros, and with Bradley, man, we'll have a great team!
     
  9. MartyF

    MartyF New Member

    Nov 27, 1998
    We don't need a Midfield chief! We already have one Andy Williams. Andy was one of the leagues best assists man last year. Andy is a creative dribbler and passer. We don't need anyone else to ochestrate the midfield.
     
  10. PSUdude

    PSUdude New Member

    Dec 15, 1998
    Elmhurst, Queens, NY
    he's not even a great midget....
     
  11. el

    el BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Dec 12, 1998
    Actually he is right,so no need for that, we got the Diallo leaving allocation and the missing the playoffs allocation.
     
  12. Metros Striker10

    Metros Striker10 New Member

    Jul 7, 2001
    Planet Earth
    Why didn't Tabare count as an allocation? Was this past season his last on his contract?
     
  13. jamison

    jamison Member

    Sep 25, 2000
    NYC
    We got an allocation for missing the playoffs and another for Diallo. We traded 1, so we have 1 left. I have no idea who they'd use, but attacking midfield seems like as good a place as any. I'm not sure that they would trade Williams- unless Bradley doesn't like him- as he was our most consistent offensive player last year. Then again, no one knows what Bradley/Nick have up their sleeves. Just hope it doesn't suck.
     
  14. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    I have often read on this board that Bradley is a coach who likes to "let the ball do the work" encouraging creativ movement off the ball and good passing. If this is so, then it seems to me Andy Williams is a perfect fit, and we don't need a so called midfield general. And besides, how many teams have this type of player anyway. I would say that Nowak and Valderrama offer that kind of game, but no one else I can think of. It's not necessary.
     
  15. JoBeck

    JoBeck New Member

    Jul 24, 2000
    Wesschessduh
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Metrogo's right, there's no need to trade Andy Williams.

    The talk of trading Andy Williams is stupid. I agree that he was our most consistent offensive performer last season. Not only that, but he's easily one of the most skilled players MLS has.

    Everybody's talking about how Williams "doesn't fit into Bradley's system" but I disagree. Andy Williams has shown excellent dribbling skills. Not only that, but his passing is precise and he can feed the strikers. That's right, folks, Andy Williams is a great asset to our offense and he'd do well in a lot of systems so as long as he has a good coach. I'm beginning to think that people don't even know what Bradley's system is, but this is just a chic thing to say now. Remember, Bradley didn't just use one system last season--there was no way he could with Chicago's injuries.

    Williams doesn't fit in because he holds the ball too much? Well, he can pass the ball well, too. And if a good coach instructs him to take less touches on the ball, he'll do it. Also, there are times when a team NEEDS someone to hold the ball. What if the ball's cleared, you've got you attacking midfielder on the ball, but there's nobody up to join the attack? Metrogo also mentioned Nowak--he often held the ball and dribbled for Bradley's teams, so why not Williams?

    Seems like Bradley wants to create an entirely new team, and Nick is on one of his trade-happy fits. In this case, I think we're better off with what we have. Granted, if the Metros acquire Joselito Vaca, that could be very good, but there would be room for Williams on the field, too. Just move one of them out to the wing.
     
  16. deedougie

    deedougie Member

    Jul 5, 2000
    OAK,CA
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the season stars, and Williams is our Midfield general, watch while the teams wallows and fades to the bottom of the pack

    Use Williams how he should be, as a back-up striker for Moreno and Mathis
     
  17. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    What is a "midfield general" anyway? I'm sorry to sound disrespectful during this holiday season, but anyone who uses the words "midfield general" probably doesn't know a thing about the game of soccer. It's a concept from major american sports put to soccer, but it doesn't apply. Do Manchester United or Arsenal have a midfield general? Do the other great sides? Maybe here and there, but by and large soccer is an 11 man team sport. It doesn't require a point guard or a quarterback.

    10 men must hold possession, not one.
     
  18. Vistula

    Vistula New Member

    Jul 2, 2001
    Garfield
    Ya'll need to move on.

    AWill is history.
     
  19. JoBeck

    JoBeck New Member

    Jul 24, 2000
    Wesschessduh
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, but they have consistent midfielders. Andy Williams was our only midfielder who consistently played well.
     
  20. Mr. T

    Mr. T New Member

    Sep 29, 2002
    Somewhere or other
    If midfield general means what I think it does, they certainly do:
    Keane
    Vieira
    Gilberto Silva
    Davids
    Emerson

    Or if it means a playmaker:
    Zidane
    Rivaldo
    Scholes
    Totti
    Valeron
    Ballack

    Having someone like Vieira who will just sit back in front of the defense and absorb all the team's pressure works wonders. If you watch Arsenal matches they score a hell of a lot of goals when Vieira/Gilberto make a tackle and pass it out wide to Ljungberg or Pires on the counter, who either cut in or cross for Henry. That's the function of a midfield general IMO.
     
  21. Vistula

    Vistula New Member

    Jul 2, 2001
    Garfield
    He was perhaps the best player on a truly awful team. AWill has now been the "midfield general" for teams in Miami '00, New England '01 and Metro '02 that have failed to make the playoffs. That's not good enough.
     
  22. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bring back Jim Rooney. They never should have gotten rid of him. Once he left, the second half of 1998 and 1999 were disasters.
     
  23. Jacen McCullough

    Nov 23, 1998
    Maryland
    Andy Williams should be back. Right now, I'd put him out right in a 5-man midfield with Davis out left, Richie Williams and Moore at d-mid and Paule in front of them. IF we can upgrade at the position which is currently out most gaping hole, right midfield, then AW moves to the center, Paule moves back and Moore moves to the bench. Ziadie is a decent backup right mid, but he is by no means starting calibre in todays MLS. Right mid is where we need to be looking.
     
  24. Vistula

    Vistula New Member

    Jul 2, 2001
    Garfield
    If this is our midfield...if Jeff Moore, Ross Paule and Andy Williams are on the field, starting...we will once again miss the playoffs.

    Thankfully, I'm confident this will not be the case.
     
  25. Jacen McCullough

    Nov 23, 1998
    Maryland

    If you'd stop complaining and looking for things to gripe about, you might notice that last season, we had a funny looking midfield. When the coach lines up a team with NO left winger, on the side with your weakest defender, the team is not going to do well. Paule had a damn fine year last season. He made the switch from attacking mid to holding mid, and did a good job. With that experience under his belt, I think he'll be even better there next season. Also, if you read what I posted, if we do the smart thing and upgrade at right mid, Moore will not be in the starting 11. As for your irrational hatred of Andy Williams, I'm not even going to start on that, because it's obvious that you have your opinion and I have mine. I think he's a good player that can help our team.
     

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