Pre-match: DC vs. the Reds of Toronto

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  1. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like Rossi did when he scored vs the US for Italy in the 2009 Confederation's Cup.
     
  2. bigdavestud

    bigdavestud Member

    Mar 30, 2008
    Ashburn, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    My wife and I wonder if Rooney has a flight straight back to England from Toronto.
     
  3. Von Zee

    Von Zee Member

    Aug 17, 2013
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    There cannot be any excuse for Olsen being back next season.
     
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  4. United1

    United1 Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    If Olsen returns they will have two seats to sell.
     
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  5. Freestyle2000

    Freestyle2000 Moderator

    Feb 6, 2000
    LA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Hamid wins us more games than he loses us, but he picked a bad night to be mediocre. That first goal was rough, and he gets beaten rather easily at the near post for the first in extra time.

    Boateng provided nothing and got caught holding the ball forever and a day in the midfield for the second extra time goal. After that, you're pushing everyone forward, and losing by four is the same as losing by two anyway.

    Everything else goes into the post-season thread now.
     
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  6. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Olsen returns, I think they'll have more than 2 to sell...
     
  7. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This shitty FO has more to do with having extra seats to sell than Olsen does.
     
  8. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope so
     
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  9. shammypants

    shammypants Member+

    Oct 9, 2013
    Club:
    DC United
    I'm too tired to argue about who is the problem because they're all the problem
     
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  10. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, sure there can. Anything you can possibly think of that would make no sense to you for the organization to do, they can find an excuse to do it.

    And there are even some excuses that would make sense. Here's one, for example: "it doesn't help to dismiss Ben Olsen if there's nobody better available; and nobody that was any better was crazy enough to take the job and work for our festering, bloody pus-oozing sore of a team."
     
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  11. United1

    United1 Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Very true.

    All of them need to go.
     
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  12. dcu n bntwn

    dcu n bntwn Member

    Jun 7, 2004
    Watertown, MA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Coaching decisions may have been dubious in the Cincy game, but the coaches did not lose this game.

    DCU came out with a decent plan for a road game. They came to defend and try to take advantage of any opportunities that came their way.

    They gave up a soft goal, but still got enough clear cut chances to win the game. Two of their DPs had clear scoring chances, but they did not take those chances.
    This was on the players. The coaches can not kick the ball in to the goal.

    The only bad coaching decision I saw tonight was the timing of the Jara sub. I am not sure of the rules, but I thought that they are given the additional sub at extra time. If so, the Jara sub should have been made then to restore balance to the D line and keep Canouse at d-mid.

    I am not overly concerned by the scoreline. The English commentators on Univsion said that it would have been better if DCU didn't score had had lost in regulation. I strongly disagree. I give the team credit for not hanging their heads and for finding a way to score the equalizing goal, even when it was clearly not the team's best night. This is the pride and fight that I expect from a DCU team.

    As for the goals in extra time, it has been proven that our defense is very porous if we do not play with disciplined defensive shape. The defense was disorganized in extra time when we had attacking players trying to play out of position, after the subs. We cannot expect success with Titi at L back, Rooney defending at d mid, and Boateng trying to distribute from deep positions.

    While it is easy to feel down right now, I don't think the house is burning. The core of this team is still solid. Obviously, some changes need to be made.

    Let's see who we sign to replace Rooney (and likely Lucho). If they make a coaching change, they had better do it early in the off season.
     
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  13. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Well that was disappointing......
    Olsen will be back because the ownership -- Levien, Kaplan, et al. have ********ed up every other franchise they have been associated with. They couldn't recognize coaching or playing talent if it took them hostage.
    After 10 years, Olsen has no clues, his squad tonight was more talented than Toronto's. Toronto was missing Altidore and Gonzalez, Vanney so disregarded Mullins that he used Pozuelo as a false 9. (Remember when Mullins was supposed to be the savior of DCU?) Face it, Vanney outcoached Olsen and had his team better prepared to deal with Bennyball. They fought harder for 50/50's and moved decisively in the final third. That's coaching. As McT noted in the 85th minute, why is Arriola still protected defensively on the flank. In a 1-0 game, you've lost unless you score, if you lose 2-0 or 3-0, what does it matter. Olsen has coached the imagination out of this entire squad, time for him and the buzzcut Hamburglar to go. They can keep Kasper to be in charge of the latrines.
     
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  14. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You keep doing the whole cognitive dissonance thing.
     
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  15. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are correct. It burnt down years ago and we are neck deep in the ashes.
     
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  16. dcu n bntwn

    dcu n bntwn Member

    Jun 7, 2004
    Watertown, MA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ouch. Unfortunately, I can't completely disagree with that perspective. My expectations have definitely declined over the years.

    At this point, if DCU is a competitive, entertaining product, then I am pretty satisfied. This is admittedly a lower bar, when compared to decades past.
     
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  17. Theopisa

    Theopisa Member+

    Pisa Sporting Club
    Italy
    Oct 7, 2008
    Venezia
    Club:
    Pisa Calcio
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #167 Theopisa, Oct 19, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2019
    Today I had the best idea. I decided to tape the DCU instead than watching it live, and I went to Segra Field for the last Loundoun Utd game, against NYRB II. The game was meaningless, LUFC couldn't clinch the playoffs in any case, while NYRB II already clinched them weeks ago, although they are coming from an unexplicable long negative stretch (4 points in the last 8 games). Well, LUFC trashed them 7-3, and NYRB also failed two penalties, at least it was a FUN evening. Now I have the taped DCU game on, I altready know the score, I am not really going to add anything, I just hope De Leon's goals is the final nail in Olsen's coffin (figurative, of course). If he had a crumb of dignity left, he would put on the table his resignation letter tomorrow morning.
     
  18. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    How have my thoughts been inconstant? I blame the FO and have from the start of this slide. GM, Owners.

    I have admitted that while Olsen has flaws I think he is a solid coach.

    Where have I wavered.

    Truth be told I had to look that one up. :D;)
     
  19. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

    Jul 2, 2003
    Fornax Cluster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's solidly mediocre. As long as he's coach, this team won't win anything.

    And before you mention the USOC we won when he was coach, I'll point out this team also had it's worst record ever -- and literally one of the worst of any team in MLS history -- with Olsen at the helm.
     
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  20. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He didn't celebrate the one he scored here.

    I have no issues with him celebrating a playoff goal against his former team. Especially a strike like that.
     
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  21. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    I think the NDL goal encapsulates the problems with Olsen as a coach. Vanney has gotten more from NDL this season than Olsen ever got, except for NDL's first season before Olsen "coached" NDL's mediocrity. Here's the difference I see between Vanney and Olsen. Start with the premise that most players in MLS are flawed, this is a fact in a salary capped and roster capped league.
    Vanney understands this, but still coaches his players to play to their strengths and understands that their flaws will cause WTF moments. Witness Toronto's now 11 game unbeaten streak that had only one clean sheet. Vanney understands that if his players attempt to execute offensively, they will give up goals. He just believes his team is offensively talented enough to overcome that problem.
    Olsen's problem is that he sees the flaws and works overtime to minimize them. This leads to the Bennyball tactics of stay compact, don't allow space for attackers and limit the number of players going forward. Does it work? Well those tactics got 5 consecutive clean sheets, but also couldn't score against a 9 man team with the worst defense in league history. Go to tonight and it was obvious the only way DCU would score would be off a set piece. Once Olsen had thrown his offensive subs into the match, he had no Plan B to maximize their strengths, he just hoped they could Bennyball away as if Acost and Segura are interchangeable parts. This is the difference between Vanney and Olsen in a nutshell. Olsen has a one track mind -- play conservatively to hide the flaws -- Vanney will accept the flaws and got 5 goals from a squad missing Altidore. So long as Olsen is here, DCU is a 5th through 7th place team -- if everything goes right. So long as Olsen is here, a Wooden Spoon is more likely than MLS Cup.
     
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  22. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    This year they managed to be competitive but not entertaining, so I guess they are halfway there. Olsen will remain head coach because ownership can see the competitive (we made the playoffs) but can't see that the entertainment isn't there (we play shit soccer).
     
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  23. United1

    United1 Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Is there anything that Olsen can do to get fired? Anything at all?
     
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  24. shammypants

    shammypants Member+

    Oct 9, 2013
    Club:
    DC United
    For me we’ve reached the cap of our ability which is 44-48 points, a basic low level entrance to the playoffs and an early exit. None of that is hard considering the league is a joke so I wouldn’t call it competitive, it’s more being on life support.
     
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  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pull a Petke
     
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