Das Reboot and the Road to UEFA Nations League & EC2020

I don't give a shit about Ferran Torres. My point still remain intact, we are not younger than Spain. Keller should stop using the young squad as excuse

 

That doesn't make any sense. Yes it is younger than 2018 but the opponent even YOUNGER. Oh christ....

 

It's the typical bs excuse you get from coaches to take the pressure off and lower expectations.

Young team, still learning/growing etc. How true that is, is irrelevant. They will stick with this young developing team narrative as it excuses bad results.

 

To be fair , we have 6 players who are 25 or under. Spain might have young players too but its only 1-2 years difference

Ginter isn’t old for a CB. Werner, Koch n Sané are 24? Not old at all

it’s a mix of experienced and inexperienced players. And when there are 6 who are 25 or under, its relatively young

yes, Spain and England should be younger than ours but we are still relatively young team

“Already “ 25? 25 is still a relatively young age for National team players isn’t it? Most Players got their NT debut at around 22/23. Maybe 2 years of decent performance

Havertz, Neuhaus, Uduokhai n Baku are young. But I think there’s a drop of quality compare to the older generations

 

We lack quality wing backs, center backs, and holding midfielders, past generations these were the strengths of the traditional hard to beat German teams

 

This whole "we're in the process of rebuilding / our team is young and inexperienced" narrative is idiotic in a great number of ways.

1. Löw kicks out some of his most experienced players (Hummels, Müller, Boateng) before they even turn 30, just to have some scapegoats to blame for his own tactical shortcomings (and to remove the most outspoken characters from the dressing room).

2. He blames it on their age, then replaces them with 26 year old "talents" like Rüdiger, who aren't and will never be as good as the players Löw kicked out.

3. He then starts talking about how the team is in a transition period full of young, inexperienced players, even though this problem is self-imposed by kicking out the older players for no good reason and not adequately replacing them. This so-called problem could be easily fixed by inviting some of the experienced players that are still active, available and in great shape, but Löw doesn't want to do this because he needs to keep his excuse of having a team that's "not ready to win titles" alive.

4. Even though the spine of this current team is the same as that of FC Bayern (Neuer, Süle, Kimmich, Goretzka, Sane, Gnabry), which happened to be good enough to win the treble and mostly consists of established players in their mid 20s, Löw keeps up that narrative of having an inexperienced team and Fritz Keller just joins in, spouting the same non-sensical platitudes.

 

Whether you consider 24/25 as young or not the main thing to look at is experience. There is plenty of top level experience available to Löw, more then Spain currently have in their team.

Just 3 months ago, Neuer, Sule, Klostermann, Halstenberg, Kehrer, Goretzka, Kimmich, Draxler and Gnabry were all involved in the CL semi finals. Of those 9, 7 have won multiple major trophies in their careers.

The likes of Ter Stegen, Kroos, Gundogan, Can and Sane who weren't involved in the latter stages of the CL last season have all won major trophies too. Reus doesn't have many trophies but has been a world class performer (when fit) for years. Rudiger has also won a couple of trophies.

Then you have players like Ginter, Neuhaus, Werner and Havertz who have all played at a consistent high level for top BL clubs for at least 2 or 3 seasons. Gosens has been performing very well in Serie A and the CL.

This is not a squad made up of inexperienced kids. Is it as good as 2014? No. But there is still easily enough experience and quality, even without the absurdly excluded trio of world champions, to perform FAR better then the shambles of the last few years.

 

Yes, on top of everything else, the "inexperienced team" excuse is now not only used after a defeat in a hard-fought semi final against world class opposition, as it was in 2006 or 2010, but to explain a long-term stretch of disastrous results and overall terrible form.

Somehow, the likes of Kimmich, Kroos, Gnabry or Ginter, Halstenberg and Werner are not only too inexperienced to win big titles, but also to beat anyone but injury-hit minnows or to prevent the biggest German loss since 1931. Just 3 months ago, some of these players were involved in beating Barcelona 8-2, now they're too "inexperienced" to prevent a 0-6 loss vs a Spanish team that's also currently undergoing a rebuilding phase - and surely a more radical and necessary one than the current Germany team.

 

It's already more than two years since Russia, and Löw still doesn't know which path he's going or what he's doing with the team I mean, what on earth has he done or achieved for the past two years, earning a salary that would allow us to never have to work for our whole life
I mean, if Löw and Sorg could focus on the team instead of spending time planning what to wear every game then perhaps they'd get some job done. Given that they always wear matching outfits, they must plan it in advance lol

But it's great that Neuer is speaking up regarding his former teammates, always thought he was too "pro-Löw" and him speaking up is only a good thing.

 

Neuer coming out with statement of support for the discarded trio is no surprise and could be a loew blessed statement, recently loew admitted the axing of boetang hummels Muller was justified at the time to turn a new page, but after ample opportunity the new guard in defence are still yet to justify the improvement that's required, that could be the hint of a possible recall for the trio in March

Neuer statement last night took it one step further. I reckon come march hummels or boetang could be back

 

There Is only one problem, and that is löw. He has had his time , he has no more value to add to this team . It’s time to fix the one problem and that should be for him to resign .

That’s it - last night was pathetic and that should be clear enough that he is outdated after 16 years .

 

Common sense should prevail by axing loew, but the hierarchy at the DFB have shown balls at all, unless loew has a change of heart and resigns thers no way dfb firing him off before euros I'm afraid

 

Let's face it...there is no "reboot" happening here.

 

holding midfielders ? We have Kimmich, Emre Can and I seriously think Koch is better DM than at CB

centre backs. I m not sold on Sule especially after his injury. But I see a lot of potential in Uduokahi (still not capped) and Torunarigha.

don’t think Gosens , Klostermann or Halstenberg are bad. They even made it to the final stage of Champions League last season. Baku also have some potential. Max is very offensive

 

Kimmich is growing in to his role, agree with emre can but he's never played in that position, as for the center backs boetang hummels are still far superior to what we have playing for Germany.

 

So GER90 this was your first comment when you opened up the thread 2 years back....... Seems like that reboot caused us to blue screen and the issue is exactly the same as 2 years back.

 

Löw
-- "coach with Winnetou haircut"
-- "NIVEA Jogi"
-- "sitting on the sidelines as if his rheumatism blanket doesnt heat up"

Bierhoff
-- "nothing but a travel tour guide"

"This is what happens if you sort out players like "Bugatti" Boateng, "Kathy" Hummels and "Run Forrest" Müller

"square pass" Kroos and "thrombosis football" Gündogan, 5 touches of the ball - 3 of which during warm-up
"snap-lock" Neuer, who had his famous "protest arm" up all night and who would serve better as train signaller of ICEs in Gelsenkirchen-Buer
"Tatü Tata" (the sound a police/fire siren makes, guess he means Jonathan Tah) +
"backwards Rüdiger" who only play because they got almost every weekend off
"rest of players who got nominated just because they once participated in the federal youth games"

 

Btw I think we do need a new thread and new thread title, as @Cris 09 said, there is no reboot to talk about anymore

 

What will the title be? Can't think of a positive one at this point.

 

Löw’s sinking ship to infinity and beyond, all aboard!

 

Is it in any way possible for Low to at least swap Kroos and Gundogan for Hummels and Muller on his blacklist?

That way you don't have more veterans blocking 'young' players from 'developing' then before but you do have veterans that actually help the team both in terms of quality, leadership and in Muller's case understanding how to actually press from the front.