Daniele De Rossi - the last son of Rome

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  1. shiboboo

    shiboboo Member+

    Nov 13, 2010
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    I doubt we see a new striker of any note since Bellotti will be returning as well.
     
  2. La Magica

    La Magica Member+

    Aug 1, 2011
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    Id rather have a good 9 in the squad but with Dybala its an option. Its not a bad match up at all. Only Atalanta are brave enough and organised enough to go man to man and follow all over the pitch ignoring shape. Dybala would get a lot of freedom as I doubt most teams will let a center back follow him. They prefer to keep the 3rd man in the center and organised. He could have a field day as teams have to try and switch mark him from the center back to a defensive midfielder depending on his position. Hes a couple of levels above the opponents at reading the situation and he's good enough to bring back Totti level play from the false 9. I dont care about his injuries. I'd do everything to keep him anyway. 20 games of Dybala is worth 60 of a normal player.
     
  3. Matrim

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    Feb 10, 2014
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    Plus let's remember we're playing in EL, we're dirt poor and we're overpaying massively for salaries for an underperforming squad.

    We can't afford anyone better than Dybala, or anyone at his level even, so he'll have to do And him being the main reason for this Roma team to have any soul at all, I won't complain about it.
     
  4. ErPupone

    ErPupone Member+

    Aug 27, 2015
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    I think it would work out but what do you do the other 50% of the time when Dybala can't play? Play a totally different style? Because we definitely won't have a back up that will be an adequate substitute in such a specific role.
     
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  5. La Magica

    La Magica Member+

    Aug 1, 2011
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    We have been down this road before. Totti to Dzeko and thinking Gervinho and Iturbe had the intelligence to switch roles to accommodate them. Walters biggest mistake was not recognising this that summer. As long as you dont have dullards like that you can make it work to slip back into a 1 man striker system easily enough. Players like SES have no issue switching from being supplied by a false 9 to being the supplier.
    Baldanzi can play wing and he has the intelligence to change roles like SES or be a Dybala backup for false 9. He has the potential to grow into it but is still a kid learning so its going to be patchy.

    They need another smart winger or 2 who can dribble at pace, similar profile to SES. Theres not many on the market for Romas price range. They have to be creative like the player I suggested previously. Then keeping a 9 who will be useful enough playing stop start. Thats not someone like Tammy who needs 30 games to get going.
     
  6. Midfield General

    Jun 14, 2011
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    [​IMG]
     
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  7. NewDadaCoach

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Sep 28, 2019
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    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Turkey ---> IN

    Italy ---> OUT

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  8. Matrim

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    Feb 10, 2014
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    And China is the most populous country in the world. Or India. Who cares. My point is - I hope Looserinho goes next there, so losers like you can savor a bit of communism with your ugly ass football.
     
  9. WONMIN

    WONMIN Member

    Nov 3, 2023


    Already losing the dressing room
     
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  10. mancini30

    mancini30 Member+

    Jul 20, 2014
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    I will just defend DDR to the end.
     
  11. decola

    decola Member+

    Sep 12, 2006
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    You are such a loser man, go practice your mousexuality on the Fenerbahce forum
     
  12. Nainggolan

    Nainggolan Member+

    Jun 4, 2021


    Weird you didnt post this. Cretin.
     
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  13. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Sep 28, 2019
    Ohio
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    catching up...

    Aug 10 - draw vs Everton - a bad sign of the current state and things to come. Everton is horrible. Fans should be very concerned at this point.

    Aug 18 - draw vs Cagliari... yikes!

    Aug 25 - loss to Empoli... double yikes! These are two of the worst teams in Serie A

    Next up --> JUVENTUS

    As it turns out... coaching a big team is really hard! Who would've thunk it
     
  14. WONMIN

    WONMIN Member

    Nov 3, 2023


    Also hates youth
     
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  15. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

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    Sep 28, 2019
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    Why did Roma play the 3 worst teams in europe and not win?
    DeRossi doesn't know how to play out of the back?
     
  16. Matrim

    Matrim Member+

    Feb 10, 2014
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    Have you learned how to say "Mourinho isn't irrelevant, incompetent, and washed out just because he coaches in Asia now and gets paid in liras" in Turkish?

    You're in the wrong forum, this is Roma, Italy, European football, we don't cover Asian doner kebab tournaments here. No one in Europe gives a f&ck about Turkish football or Mourinho, he can as well coach in Rowanda, he can't become less relevant than this. :D
     
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  17. WONMIN

    WONMIN Member

    Nov 3, 2023
    Fenerbache legit has better team than Roma ,you guys are definitely losing if you ever met in UEL
     
  18. Nainggolan

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    Jun 4, 2021


    Great interview about De Rossi as a coach.
     
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  19. La Magica

    La Magica Member+

    Aug 1, 2011
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  20. WONMIN

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    Nov 3, 2023
    As a coach
    As a manager he was SPAL manager who finished 11th in serie C
    The guy has no business coaching in serie A if it wasn't because of nepotism
     
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  21. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
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    I talked to my cousins in Rome and they are saying DDR’s replacement will either be Max Allegri or Caludio Ranieri.

    Not sure how true it is but that is what they are saying.
     
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  22. ErPupone

    ErPupone Member+

    Aug 27, 2015
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    Yeah sure, Ranieri who just retired or Allegri who earned 7m net at Juve with a style that even for Juve's standards was considered unsuccessful terror football in the end.

    Our owners just gave DDR a 3 year contract and 100m to splash on the transfer market. He'll be our coach at least until the end of the season and probably even longer as long as he doesn't get us relegated. Just look how much time Mourinho got with hardly any positive development. Our current owners are more patient than the average Serie A president and that's a good thing. De Rossi still has a lot to learn but he's a talented coach and willing to adapt if his ideas don't work out. And just like Mourinho he'll have the fans and media in Rome behind him much longer than most other managers.
     
  23. La Magica

    La Magica Member+

    Aug 1, 2011
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    #898 La Magica, Sep 16, 2024
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    The thing DDR is facing right now that will be causing him concern is a lack of experience to fall back on. Of course he has that in spades as a player but looking after yourself and looking after a group is a pressure leverage. He has to be sure of himself and I think he has the character for that. He is DDR, I want to see him succeed but he needs to be ruthless now and for a young manager still close with players, that is something he is going to have to face up to. Its an emotional game but he has to separate personal ties with the professional work environment and be ok with the outcome. Its the players who will be the ones taking the snubs personally but in years to come they come round. Its always been this way.

    My observation from how he started was linking this to our Ole. I believed we were seeing a new manager bounce, the loosening of the reigns after playing for a manager who was very military style disciplined and the players initially loved it coinciding with an easier run of games. I have not seen a development of DDR's ideas though as time has moved on. After 6 months and a pre season I think its fair to say we would have all expected to see something more than Roma hanging on for a 0-1 lead in Genoa with a whole half of sitting back and hoping to ride it out. While its disappointing, DDR cannot be hounded right now, its not fair considering how the transfer window went and confusion between what he wants to play like and what the squad he has, it capable of. Roma are not a club in a position to have their business done early and precisely. Maybe one day if a stadium gets built the finances are in place to have main business warped up early and a clear 11 have a whole pre season to work on things and be ready for the 1st game. Imagine that crazy idea. A legit concern would be his sub choices yesterday though, not a good read on the game and no correction.

    It would be interesting to check the data on early rounds and see how significant less player turn over has on points collected. Its surely a big factor and so smaller teams who often keep more of their 11 hold an advantage until approx around 8-10 rounds in, when a season starts to settle. I would never slate a manager too early, I was defending Jose at this time last year as well given he just lost Matic and now a very different player in Paredes has to be worked into midfield. DDR needs time.

    Theres a big group of good players here now. Theres options for multiple systems but as I touched on yesterday, he has to have Soule as a starter. Its not an option to be 3 games in and playing a system that you wonder where you can get something out of him. Wingback, as a second forward? Perhaps but its limiting him. The compromise for all these players to fit is back to the 4-2-3-1 as the main formation. Yes this creates a block with a lot of good centre backs but they are free transfers and not the star signing. All these options are likely leading to the confusion so it has to be back to basics. Start to drop names onto a blank sheet and the teamsheet essentially picks itself. This gets right into the argument between systems and being pragmatic. If DDR is to survive he has to be smart about this. Hes a baby in managers terms, he can have his system and ideal style of play as he grows into this game over seasons. For now, do the obvious and slot the best players into their best positions and build around that. Everything becomes easier from there.

    A duo in cm of any of these 3, Le Fee, Kone and Paredes will do the best we have seen in years. This was the biggest hinderance to what stopped Jose progressing and I wonder what his football could have done with these players. Jose had Pellegrini already figured out by the end of his stay, he wasnt going to be a key player. If anything good came from yesterday, it's maybe the penny finally dropping for DDR.
     
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  24. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
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    #899 falvo, Sep 16, 2024
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    I don't really believe it either but thatb is what everone there is saying.

    On the other hand, if Ranieri were to be hired though, it would be as a caretaker and I don't think they will pay him that much.
     
  25. decola

    decola Member+

    Sep 12, 2006
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    AS Roma
    DDR needs time, the players need to know he's here to stay and that they are the ones on the chopping block if the results are bad

    Many modern clubs have hired managers who started slow but were given trust and time and now they reap the rewards (Gasperini, Arteta etc) and there are examples of legendary managers who went through similar situations (Fergusen, Wenger, Sacchi)

    Even DDR's poor spell in Serie B isn't much of an indicator, Conte had a similarly bad record in that league with his first club (Sarri too I think)

    A lot of players changed this summer, so far a lot of our former starters have gone to the bench in recent games and we've tried different formations--it's a new project, a time of renewal, DDR himself has said they haven't been able to complete the revolution in terms of transfers but this will happen as the next transfer windows come... hiring someone like Allegri would be a step backwards
     
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