Dallas back in Cotton Bowl

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Sachin, Nov 13, 2003.

  1. pething101

    pething101 Member

    Jul 31, 2001
    Smyrna, Ga
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ... and there was much rejoicing ... yeahh!!
     
  2. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    HALLELUJAH!
     
  3. dawgpound2

    dawgpound2 Member

    Mar 3, 2001
    Los Angeles, CA
    Congratulations!
     
  4. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Congrats to the Burn fans...and in fact congrats to all MLS fans. This was both a needed and necessary move if the Burn franchise wasn't going to collapse altogether before its move into its own building in 2005.

    A huge thumbs up.

    And o yea: a huge congrats to Burn players, who will rightfully get to play in a decent stadium instead of that crap they had to deal with this year.

    Good stuff.
     
  5. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish New Member

    Feb 2, 1999
    W. Orange <-> NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Congrats

    Thumbs up to HSG for a) taking a risk in moving to Dragon stadium in 2003 in order cut costs, but MOST OF ALL for b) realizing that staying at Southlake for another year would have only alienated more fans and promoted MLS as less-than-major league.
     
  6. GPK

    GPK BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 5, 1999
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bravo MLS.
     
  7. denver_mugwamp

    denver_mugwamp New Member

    Feb 9, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Congrats to the Burn...

    It takes a lot of guts to admit you made a mistake. There's a difference between playing on a rug that looks like grass and one that looks like a ginat billboard. Damn, that thing was ugly!
     
  8. railguitar

    railguitar New Member

    Sep 23, 1999
    Grand Rapids, MI
    It's refreshing to see a sports organization go this far to admit a mistake and do what it can to make things right with the fans. It would have been so easy to say "oh, just wait another year and there's the new stadium." I knew of complaints by Burn fans but this is a surprising development.
     
  9. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well done.

    And reducing ticket prices as well.

    I don't think there's anything to complain about here. Which, of course, will shorten the life of this thread. ;)
     
  10. moorland

    moorland Member

    Oct 11, 1999
    Aliso Viejo CA
    Thank God

    MLS couldn't have Freddy play on that field.
     
  11. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    ..and the best pitch in MLS returns :)
     
  12. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    and of course there's this obvious point:

    with the move out of Naperville back to Soldier Field, and now with the move back to Cotton Bowl, MLS is down to only one artificial field in the league, a great step forward IMHO. from 30% to 10% in one fell swoop.

    damn it's been a great week. :)
     
  13. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not to mention most likely a league-wide attendance boost as the Fire and Burn have to draw more in 2004 than they did in 2003.
     
  14. NYM31

    NYM31 New Member

    Mar 29, 1999
    Paterson, NJ
    Wow, what great news! Congrats, Burn fans!
     
  15. BenC1357

    BenC1357 Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    KC
    Now this begs the question...

    What is really necessary to move out of the Cotton Bowl in the first place?
     
  16. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is this announcment being made now? Don't they know that MLS SOP calles for this to be mentioned by late March at the earliest? :D
     
  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was it really necessary in the first place? Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time.

    I mean, to HSG it did. :)

    If the expected savings didn't materialize, and they risked really shoving fans away for not one but two years to the point where Frisco's effect might have been seriously mitigated, then moving back was the right move, absolutely.

    This leaves RFK as the worst stadium in the league now.
     
  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why did they move to Southlake?

    Any word on whether the new lease is better in the Cotton Bowl than the old one?
     
  19. bourque312

    bourque312 Red Card

    Oct 16, 2003
    YAAAYYYY MLS is finally LISTENING
     
  20. Arisrules

    Arisrules Member

    Feb 19, 2000
    Washington, DC
    Great news. Hopefully, a lot of the old fans will come back, and the Burn can at least have respectable attendance.

    Who knows, next year, with a good push by the Fire (16-17k), a rejuvenated SJ fanbase (14k??, wishful thinking I think, 12-13 hopefully), the continued success of KC, the league may very well peak over 16k which would be great. Obviously, this all depends if LA can continue getting great crowds (will the new stadium effect wear off?), and if the Metros and Revs can get their front-offices up to par.

    And yea, it seemed like moving to Dragon at the time was a good idea, economically. Obvioulsy it backfired. Plus the Burn are slashing ticket prices. That has to have a negative effect on ticket prices, unless the team really improves its attendance.
     
  21. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To save money. But supposedly they only saved half as much as they thought they'd save, and considering how people stayed away, I would imagine the actual impact was worse.

    Considering they wouldn't be negotiating from a position of strength, I would guess not, but I don't know.

    Still, from a fan outreach standpoint, the move had to be done.
     
  22. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OTOH, maybe the Cotton Bowl regretted the loss of all that lease income last year, and was willing to give a little to get the Burn back as a tenant...at least for one year.

    No question. They had to get back some of the disaffected fans so those same fans will make the trek next year up the highway to the new digs.

    Great news.
     
  23. uclacarlos

    uclacarlos Member+

    Aug 10, 2003
    east coast
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Yeah, wull watta YOU know about the intricacies of complaining? I mean, OBVIOUSLY from your posts it's quite easy to see that you're an ...

    Oh, wait, wrong thread... ;)
     
  24. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    I'm all for this as it's good for the players and fans, shows the league and team are listenting to their fans, and is good for those of us who had to endure watching that hideous purple surface on TV.

    But, I can't help feeling a little sorry for Mike Jeffries. Yeah, maybe the team would have sucked anyway, but I always got the feeling the team's struggles were at least partly related to the team playing on this surface and that they way the Burn were constructed, that surface didn't play to their strengths.

    Now, the team went out and got Curtis, Glinton, Nkhlecko, etc... - all guys who are pacey and play direct, to take advantage of the Sucklake surface... and now this.

    That said, I'm sure the team will adapt, it just seems like adding salt to the wounds to swtich back AFTER they changed the team to better suit the surface.
     

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