Cucho Hernandez Artemis Rocket

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  1. TRUJDUB21

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    Good question i would say yes because of last season alone but it’s borderline as he has been here basically 2 years during 3 seasons.
     
  2. KCbus

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  3. TRUJDUB21

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    Why is there a minimum threshold of games for you ?
     
  4. KCbus

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    I have an "I know it when I see it" threshold, not a hard number. But Cucho hasn't even played two full seasons in total for us yet.

    Yes, he was a huge reason why we won MLS Cup, but did we win MLS Cup because of his huge season, or did he just have a huge season because he was on a team that made a Cup run? Time will tell.
     
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  5. TRUJDUB21

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    He has played 2 full seasons

    1/2
    full
    1/2

    =2

    but he will have 2 full seasons(technically ) at the end of this one plus a 1/2

    but it’s hard being a feeder league to have great players long term
     
  6. KCbus

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    47 regular season appearances. Do the math.
     
  7. TRUJDUB21

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    He came in summer window he has been available and on the roster for more than 47 games

    we also aren’t quite to the summer for it to be a full half for this year.

    but by the end of the year he will have 2 1/2 seasons here
     
  8. KCbus

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    47 regular season games played.
     
  9. TRUJDUB21

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    Not by seasons end and doesn’t matter he doesn’t have to play every gm for a full season .

    it will still be 2 1/2 seasons, you want to argue it’s 2 1/3 that’s possibly more accurate. But 23&24 are full seasons
     
  10. KCbus

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    You're arguing what might be. I'm STATING what IS. Cucho could get sold in the summer window, for all we know.

    If he plays every RS match remaining this year, that's still only 67. That's not enough for consideration for this.

    Now, if we win MLS Cup again, and he has ten goals in that playoff run, or we win CCC and he plays a giant part, or he wins a golden boot -- now we're talking, because he's done something transcendent. But he hasn't been here nearly long enough to fulfill the "long-term greatness" part yet.
     
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  11. TRUJDUB21

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    I’m simply asking since you don’t have an actual number there has to be a line drawn somewhere right ?
     
  12. Crew Chuck35

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    Its KCBUS.
    He knows it when he sees it.
    He makes it up as he goes along.
     
  13. KCbus

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    Pretty much. I know you typed that as an insult, but it's actually kinda true.

    When you're talking about Ring of Honor stuff or Hall of Fame-ish stuff, it's all subjective. You need to have a certain combination of sustained, long-term greatness and transcendent individual moments/accomplishments. The more you have of one, the less you need of the other.
     
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  14. kgilbert78

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    That makes some sense. I'm thinking of a guy like Koufax. The 5 good years he had were transcendent--he's a good example of not having long term greatness, but when he was good, he was unhittable (took him 5 years to learn control). And yeah, he was the pitcher in my first MLB game I went to (yes, I'm old).
     
  15. Meddlin' Truckstop Owner

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    #290 Meddlin' Truckstop Owner, Apr 22, 2024
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    If Cucho left tomorrow ... IMO. in time, he would be viewed like Terrell Davis, RB for the Broncos.

    Davis only had 4 full, healthy seasons... 7 in total.

    He is viewed as moving the Broncos forward and getting John Elway over the hump, getting him 2 Super Bowl wins after losing his first 3 SBs (Yes, those seasons in Cleveland Browns history).

    Davis is a NFL Hall of Famer.

    Cucho should be similarly honored locally.. for being the leading scorer and face of the Crew and pushing the franchise forward with.new accomplishments ... on and off the field.

    It may take some years and this golden era to be gone before the appreciation fully accumulates.
     
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  16. jairadballerina

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    I have Nagbe and potentially Morris getting in before Cucho (assuming Cucho leaves tomorrow).
     
  17. Bill Archer

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    That's the thing though. Nagbe is a shoe-in. Every bit as automatic as Schelotto or McBride. (I love Frankie Hejduk as well as the next guy but the primary reason he slid right in was because Fratass liked him and treated him like his personal organ grinders monkey).

    And that I think is what @KCbus is saying; a giant is a giant and no time or perspective is required.

    Cucho, well. there are goal scorers far more prolific than him who IMO ought to be ahead of him in line, again assuming that he left tomorrow: Stern John was unstoppable. Jeff Cunningham was a problem child for everyone but was spectacular.

    Cucho still has some things to prove.
     
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  18. Bill Archer

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    Bob Gibson was better.
     
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  19. Meddlin' Truckstop Owner

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    I think of it this way:

    Nancy, Nagbe and Cucho are in.
    Because I don't think the Crew achieve everything they are doing without each of them.

    Everyone else ... not mandatory to the success.

    If some bland asshole coach (Vermes, for example) took over, Cucho gets sold and Nagbe retires ...

    How long do the trophies and CCL runs keep coming along?

    And ... how long then does the sellout streak last?
     
  20. TRUJDUB21

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    yeah as of today if he was sold his time would be Too $hort lol
     
  21. kgilbert78

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    That's a point for discussion. But Koufax's 5 best, well.... Still it was said that if you needed a guy to start and win a Game 7, Gibby was it (even though he did lose one).
     
  22. Bill Archer

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    #297 Bill Archer, Apr 22, 2024
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    Gibson was a ball of rage and hate who would throw 98 mph at your head and just didn't care..Koufax was a superb technician and a gentleman. Gibson wanted to destroy you.

    Mike Schmidt used to tell a story about when he was a rookie he somehow hit a home run off Gibson. He says he put his head down and sprinted around the bases as fast as he could while saying to himself "Please Mr Gibson, dont kill me"
     
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  23. POdinCowtown

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    Yeah, Willie Mays and Hank Aaron didn't dig in against Gibson. MLB lowered the pitchers mound the year after he had a 1.1 ERA for a whole season.
     
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  24. kgilbert78

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    Saw him in Cleveland throw at a guy's head who'd just hit a HR off him.... in an Oldtimers Game.
     
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