CSL Quarterfinals (October 22 for Beijing Guoan vs Shandong Luneng): KIM Hee-Gon (KOR) There was a pretty shocking VAR decision to take back a Shandong Luneng goal right before the second Guoan goal was scored.
Wait, you don't think that is the kind of clear error that VAR was designed for? Clearly wouldn't be considered in a lot of places. I think a foul is a better call than a no-call, but I don't think it meats the clear and obvious level such that VAR should intervene.
VAR used to overturn that. VAR not used to call the foul in Man City v Porto and allows penalty to stand. At some point, people will understand that VAR isn't "technology" that fixes thing and is just another tool that is only as good as the officials and the training given to them (training, it's worth reiterating for the umpteenth time, that is different than referee training). Wow, that's horrendous.
Yup, that's the one! And they reviewed the Beijing goal for several minutes after that to try to find a foul when there was clearly nothing.
CSL Relegation Playoffs First Round Second Leg (October 24 for Guangzhou R&F vs Qingdao Huanghai): KO Hyung-Jin (KOR)
CSL Semifinals Second Leg (November 2 for Guangzhou Evergrande vs Beijing Guoan): KIM Hee-Gon (KOR) CSL Relegation Playoffs Second Leg (November 2 for Qinhdao Huanghai vs Wuhan Zall): KO Hyung-Jin (KOR) Some fun times for Mr. Ko with 3 send-offs and reportedly sending off the entire Wuhan technical area for arguing a caution that looked like it should have been another red.
Incident in question was in 78'. Doesn't seem like he showed red cards to any of the staff, but they got sent to the stands? Does the 4O have authority to do so? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opydJF4QUqw
I think they are being sent back to the technical area/bench - based on the substitute for the other team going up there as part of the socially distanced/no fans COVID bench area in stands. (That's not to express an opinion on whether it might have been good to send at least one team official off, but I don't think they did send anyone which is why you don't see a red card)
Championship Playoff Second Leg (November 12 for Guangzhou Evergrand vs Jiangsu Suning): KO Hyung-Jin (KOR)
I watched most of the final. As at the last Asian Cup, not really impressed with Ko Hyung-jin. Korean is not the best decision taker nor leader on the pitch (classic sort of referee FIFA are pushing at the moment). In addition he totally relied on VAR for the match's crucial decision - clip.
Not sure what you mean by this. He signaled a PK immediately, and then seemed to follow protocol when the VAR eis commanded a n OFR.
He didn't have any misconduct though it looks like. Even if he thought it was PK/attempt to play it should have been YC, and it was a hold anyway so needed to be a RC regardless
I dunno about the hold—I thought he was calling stepping on the foot. On the card, agree we don’t see one shown, which would seem wrong-though I had simply assumed we didn’t see it rather than it wasn’t given initially.
Kim blatantly awarded a penalty so he could go over and take the decision from the RRA. Reminds me of a penalty Felix Zwayer awarded in the Atlético Madrid - Juventus game season before last which I am sure in a game without VAR he would have given a freekick outside on the pitch, which was (clearly) the correct call. Powers-that-be should really act strongly against such refereeing in my view, but they don't.
I think that’s a huge assumption to make. Besides, it was going to get reviewed for inside/outside either way.
I just don't see what you're seeing. It's really close. Honestly, in situations like that my assumption tends to be that the defender often holds on just a tad too long and often concedes a penalty when his intention is to only give up the free kick. In this case, video appears to prove he let go inches before the hold crosses into the penalty area. I'm completely fine with the decision to award a PK initially. And if the decision to give the PK initially is a by-product of the implementation of VAR (under the argument that referees were more likely to want to make errors of omission than errors of commission in the past, and therefore refereed "defensively")... well, I fail to see how that's a bad thing. He called what he thought was correct and had the guts to make the punitive call and happened to be off by a couple inches. Seems totally okay to me. The two things that did catch my eye, however... Not showing the red card prior to the OFR. I'm not sure if that's because he lost the player's number (seems plausible) or if he felt it wasn't prudent to show the red until he knew what the restart would be definitively (which also seems plausible, but isn't in line with the protocols). Either way, this was going to be red. So I wonder if in a slightly different scenario whether or not he'd show it immediately and then hash out the VAR aspect. He only got 7.5, maybe 8 yards on that wall. That's really not good in this day and age. Oh, and #36's expression and protests at being shown the red are priceless. How he thought he was staying on the field is beyond me.
I guess my post above was with the MLS protocols in mind, which require an OFR for all decisions, not just subjective ones. In MLS, what you see in the clip is perfectly fine and expected (maybe outside the delayed red card). In most other places, in-versus-out is an objective decision that does not require an OFR. Do we know what the procedure is in China? Because if in-versus-out does not require an OFR, there does become the question of why there was an OFR? Was it for a "missed red card?" If it was, that's not great. And if it wasn't, then... what was it for? Thinking about this all a little more, it is a bit choppy. And another piece of evidence showing that VAR is implemented and applied differently from referee to referee, league to league, and confederation to confederation. And, as I said in the CONMEBOL thread, this is likely another WC referee team. Consistency of application in 2022 is going to be quite the feat to attempt to pull off.