CSC Meeting: Outcomes

Discussion in 'D.C. United' started by dsheon, Feb 11, 2003.

  1. dsheon

    dsheon New Member

    Jun 12, 2000
    I think everyone who was there will agree that all concerns that have been raised on Big Soccer were addressed at the meeting. In that sense it was a success.

    Stephen Zack is going to put together some notes/outcomes from the meeting and share them within a few days.

    Rather than everyone jumping in now, it was pretty much agreed to wait a day or two for Stephen's notes and then obviously people can and will say whatever they'd like. That just seems like a more organized and productive approach....
     
  2. greatscott

    greatscott Member+

    Dec 21, 2002
    Richmond
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    as long as i can shoot m-80's at Tim Howard I'm set. ;)
     
  3. dsheon

    dsheon New Member

    Jun 12, 2000
    Amazingly the one exception to fireworks being banned at RFK is that anyone from BigSoccer with the name GreatScott is permitted to shoot M-80s at Tim Howard.


    Not.
     
  4. Dave Brother

    Dave Brother New Member

    Jun 10, 2001
    Alexandria
    Thanks man. I'll be waiting to read those minutes of the meeting.
     
  5. PSG Stunna

    PSG Stunna New Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    Darkness!!!
    Would anyone be willing to write a summary of the comments coming out for www.DCUnitedStadium.com? This information is very pertinent to my site.


    #1 Stunna
     
  6. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    I'm sure Stepen Zack would have no problem with you reposting the minutes. But why is it pertinent?

    Sachin
     
  7. greatscott

    greatscott Member+

    Dec 21, 2002
    Richmond
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    grrrreat.
     
  8. greatscott

    greatscott Member+

    Dec 21, 2002
    Richmond
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    because.
     
  9. PSG Stunna

    PSG Stunna New Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    Darkness!!!

    Because just like having a baseball diamond on our field, issues with CSC directly affect the fan experience at RFK. My site is dedicated to anything that has to do with RFK stadium and the experience we get from playing there.


    #1 Stunna
     
  10. dsheon

    dsheon New Member

    Jun 12, 2000
    Meeting Minutes

    Directly from Stephen Zach (except the next two paragraphs, which I wrote).

    As a matter of organization, we first talked through the existing policies for RFK stadium and for security, then we talked about specific suggestions for any changes to these policies, then we focused on the matters perceived to be of greater concern related to CSC and fans.

    Everyone who has a comment should feel free to make them, but please know that these minutes are reviewed and approved by representatives of each fan support group.
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    RFK Security Meeting

    Discussion Points and Next Steps:

    RFK Rules and Regulations discussed. The following list of Prohibited Items and Security and Courtesy Policies were reviewed:

    Prohibited Items
    -Metal, plastic, glass containers of any kind
    -Backpacks and large bags
    -Large flags and banners
    -Poles and staffs (metal, plastic or wooden)
    -Weapons and illegal substances
    -Food and Beverages
    -Audio and Video recording devices
    -Professional cameras w/detachable zoom lenses and/or tripods
    -Camera tri-pods
    -Pets
    -Fireworks
    -Whistles



    In relation to the above the following was discussed:

    - The policy on large flags and banners are relaxed for supporters clubs at D.C. United games.

    - While poles/staffs are still not allowed, RFK was amenable to looking at a flag with sewn in pole proposed by Barra Brava. Oscar Zambrano to develop sample for RFK review.

    - To clarify, it is only professional recording/photography equipment that is prohibited. Hand held video recorders, cameras, etc. are allowed.

    - Fireworks continue to be prohibited and it was clarified that anyone caught using any type of fireworks (firecrackers/smoke bombs, etc) in the stadium would be ejected. The idea of a smoke machine being purchased by one or more of the supporters clubs then “donated” to D.C. United for supervised use at D.C. United matches was discussed. It was determined that this would be acceptable assuming the equipment and usage were pre-approved by RFK and the Fire Marshall. Matt Mathai to investigate smoke machine options and provide information to D.C. United to review with RFK.



    Security and Courtesy Policies


    - Proper behavior is expected from all of our guests. Offensive language and/or rowdy behavior will not be tolerated and will be cause for ejection.

    - Retain ticket stubs for Event Staff to verify proper seat location. Be prepared to show your ticket stub each time you enter your assigned seating section.

    - Sit only in your assigned seat to avoid inconveniencing of other guests. Offenders will be escorted from the Stadium.

    - Aisles must be clear at all times.

    - Entering the playing field level without authorization or proper credentials will result in ejection from the Stadium and violators will be subject to arrest.

    - Throwing of objects of any kind is a violation of Stadium policy. Offenders will be ejected from the Stadium and subject to arrest.

    - Smoking is prohibited in all seating areas and restrooms. Smoking is permitted only in open-air areas such as concourses. Offenders will be escorted from the rest rooms of RFK Stadium.



    In relation to the above the following was discussed:

    - All of these policies apply to all fans however:

    o Supporters clubs are allowed more freedom in relation to their activities (standing, instruments, large flags and banners, etc.). D.C. United purposely blocks seats behind supporters clubs so that other fans are not disturbed by entire standing sections. Fans who are disturbed may request a seat location change at D.C. United’s customer service window.

    o RFK/Security are willing to extend greater freedom to the supporters clubs in relations to celebrations involving the throwing of confetti, streamers and toilet paper (as long as the toilet paper is not being removed from RFK restrooms). This courtesy is extended for these items only and are based on current activity levels. If all groups/fans began throwing toilet paper the courtesy would likely be revoked. No other items (register tape, beer, etc.) are acceptable.



    Lenny Lambert of CSC was introduced and explained CSC’s responsibilities at D.C. United matches. The following issues/concerns were discussed related to CSC:



    - There have been accusations of CSC personnel using abusive/foul and/or racist language at D.C. United matches

    - It is believed that some CSC personnel have been over zealous in enforcing rules and regulations and in effect sparking conflict within a group

    - There is a perception that CSC employees that have been singled out for the behavior outlined above are not dealt with/disciplined in a timely manner or at all

    - There does not appear to be consistency in staffing within supporters sections (different staffers from game to game)

    - It appears that CSC employees are often unclear on what is or is not allowed in certain sections.

    - The relationship between CSC and Metropolitan police was questioned in relation to ejections and physical conflicts





    The following was discussed/agreed to related to the above:



    - Abusive/improper language or actions by CSC staff is unacceptable to CSC, RFK and D.C. United. This is communicated as standard procedure to all CSC staff. It will be reiterated to all CSC staff working D.C. United matches. Spectators that witness this type of behavior should report the staff members ID # (located on their shirt or jacket) to a CSC supervisor (blue shirts) as well as to D.C. United.

    - It was agreed that when a staff member is identified for unacceptable behavior that D.C. United would confirm receipt of complaint with CSC. CSC would address the situation and report back to D.C. United on the situation resolution. D.C. United to report situation resolution to club liaisons for dissemination to club membership as appropriate.

    - It was determined that each club should have “liaisons” that introduce themselves to security in there area to help diffuse situations that might arise between fans and security. Specifically, in the case of Barra Brava, where there have been recent and repetitive security issues, D.C. United will be assigning a team representative to be in the area to act as a liason between CSC and Barra Brava. This liason will be know to CSC staffing, MPD and Barra Brava leaders. To be clear, the liason is in place to help diffuse situations before they arise or to keep unacceptable behaviors from continuing. Should CSC witness “ejectionable” or dangerous activities (fireworks, fighting, etc.) however they will act accordingly.

    - CSC does try to maintain consistency in staffing, especially in supporters club areas. The nature of the security business and staffing issues does not always allow for this to occur. CSC agreed that they will make best efforts to maintain consistent staffing (most importantly among supervisors) in each of the supporters club areas.

    - D.C. United to put in writing to CSC all details related to all supporters clubs (location, size, standing policy, buffer zones, etc.). CSC to communicate this information to day of game staff during pre-game meeting prior to every D.C. United match.

    - CSC’s overall role is to assist with enforcement of RFK polices and security. CSC usually attempts to enforce rules by speaking with offenders and requiring an appropriate change in behavior. If an issue cannot be immediately resolved, CSC will ask that a patron step into the concourse to address the issue further. Preferably CSC will request MPD personnel to handle ejections or criminal offenses. There are however times when CSC is required to take physical action for safety/security reasons. RFK, CSC and MPD to discuss the issue of physical confrontation further to clarify policies and procedures. It was clearly stated by all parties that physical confrontations were not desired and should be avoided unless safety or security issues truly necessitate such actions.
     
  11. CHICO13

    CHICO13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 4, 2001
    SECTION 135
    Club:
    The Strongest La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Re: Meeting Minutes

    Mods, can we sticky this for a few days?
     
  12. GoDC

    GoDC Member

    Nov 23, 1999
    Hamilton, VA
    Sounds like a productive meeting and lets hope that all parties follow through on the agreements.
     
  13. Victory

    Victory Member

    Sep 20, 2000
    RFK LOT 8
    Before forming an opinion and commenting on the results I would like to hear from some of the those in attendance at the meeting and what there impressions were.
     
  14. dsheon

    dsheon New Member

    Jun 12, 2000
    For me, the biggest outcome is that there will be feedback, through United, if a CSC member is being removed or disciplined. I think the heart of the problem was that people had no idea if their concerns about improper treatment ever results in outcome. I was impressed with Lennie. He says that his goal is to be able to act on a complaint immediately. The problem was that if that was happening the fans who were offended never heard about it. Now they will - or at least they can get the feedback if they want it - through the leadership of their fan club (and probably directly from Stephen if you're not in a fan club.)

    Everyone stayed until every last issue was discussed. So all of this said I think it was a very fair and good meeting.
     
  15. Lowecifer

    Lowecifer Member+

    Jan 11, 2000
    Baltimore, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I think I speak for everyone when I ask:

    Was the meeting catered?

    ;)
     
  16. CHICO13

    CHICO13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 4, 2001
    SECTION 135
    Club:
    The Strongest La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Yes, and I would like to thank ds39heon for bringing this point up and making it happen. He asked for and got accountability.

    From the Barra's standpoint, all we basically asked for was respect. Oscar and myself were treated rather rudely and encountered some racist remarks last season. We spoke with Lenny after the meeting and he knew exactly the CSC staffer we were talking about. He assured us that he has put that individual on notice already and one more complaint and he's gone.

    We also told him that 90% of the time they do a good job, but for a few games things got bad. We were there to difuse the tension and I think we succeeded.
     
  17. K

    K BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 16, 1999
    DC, Fake America
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There were some Pepsi products attractively displayed in a Bud cooler and Aquafina (alas, no RFK weenies!)

    K
     
  18. Lowecifer

    Lowecifer Member+

    Jan 11, 2000
    Baltimore, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Wait, I thought CSC was at this meeting!

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    I'm jus' keeding!
     
  19. Begbie

    Begbie New Member

    Mar 10, 2001
    La Barra Brava
    I felt that the meeting was fairly productive, simply because we were able to table our concerns in regards to CSC inconsistancy. Hopefully, things will improve this season. The fact that this meeting was even called is a positive, that could remedy a few smoldering embers.
    The Barra leadership hopes that this meeting will "actually" change a few things in regards to security.
    Come game time the Barra will still be the Barra!
    Vamos United!
     
  20. Victory

    Victory Member

    Sep 20, 2000
    RFK LOT 8
    I am glad to hear that the representatives have the general feeling that this meeting produced positive results. Hopefully, the stadium issues are resolved and 100% effort and focus can be put into supporting the team on the field.

    I would like to thank the Reps for putting in the effort and time. Zach for making the meeting a reality. And my opinion and CSC are even a little more moderated now
     
  21. greatscott

    greatscott Member+

    Dec 21, 2002
    Richmond
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Meeting Minutes


    Sorry, could you clarify this for me?

    are only certain supporters groups allowed to throw toilet paper? Or do you mean that if everyone in the stadium?
     
  22. K

    K BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 16, 1999
    DC, Fake America
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Meeting Minutes

    As La Norte is the only group doing this now, that is fine. They would prefer SEs and BB to not start tossing streamers or tp onto the field (more crap they have to clean up). Anyone anywhere can toss confetti. Objects are not to be thrown at the goalkeeper (or at anyone on the field). If security sees you toss something at a player and/or an unauthorized object like cash register tape,food, beer, or fireworks you will be ejected. This does include tossing beer straight up into the air, they want that to stop.

    K
     
  23. greatscott

    greatscott Member+

    Dec 21, 2002
    Richmond
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Re: Meeting Minutes

    thanks for the clarification. I know Sams Army throws streamers when they sit with you, but i just wanted to make sure my memory serves me well. i need to cut back on the cocain. ;)
     
  24. DCU9ted

    DCU9ted New Member

    Aug 24, 2002
    Rockville
    Re: Re: Re: Meeting Minutes

    I can support La Norte with toilet paper for the next 4 years. (Toilet Paper will be sponsered by UMD housing..
     
  25. revelation

    revelation Member+

    Dec 17, 1998
    FC St. Pauli
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Re: Re: Re: Meeting Minutes

    Darn, I had just lined up the people to help me bring my Vespa Scooter into the stadium in pieces... ;)

    On a more serious note, how will notification of action be done? How do we lodge a complaint? Call DC United, post on Bigsoccer, write to the SE Listserve, tell chico, begbie, K, Matt or Oscar? Will the notivication go through the supporters group, the newspaper, Bigsoccer, the SE listserve? Inquiring minds want to know!
     

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