crowd trouble/violence experiences

Sorry, don't have any first-hane experience. However, I'd just like to point out the the crowd troubles in England have gone down significantly due to very strict enforcement by police and generally strict rules about ticket purchases.
I'm sure there are published articles out there about this, though I can't say where off the top of my head.

 

Buy some of the many books that are so populr these days.

Shit if i had know they would be so polular i could have done one about Chelsea in the 80's.
And just like the books i could make it out ot be so much better than it actually was

 

Crowd violence - even at its peak, say late 60s to early 80s - was always vastly exaggerated.

I was at many games where fighting took place, but it virtually always involved people who wanted to be involved, people looking for a fight.

You can see a fair amount of violence by walking around a UK city when the pubs are closing. The violent aspect of the society hasn't gone away; for one period it was transferred (to an extent) to football grounds, now it is found largely elsewhere.

I'm sorry to say it, but if you put a lot of Englishmen together and fill them with booze then the outcome will often be a fight, regardless of where they are.

(I am not suggesting that Englishmen are unique in this respect.)

 

I find that I'm less aggresive at games where I have not had as much alcohol in my system.

 

The hooligan scene is dead in england...
You should write about violence in south american football.

 

yea, all the shite about england/hooligans is like beating around a dead horse. Focus on some other places like south america/eastern europe(in particular greece where a couple of years ago the violence was so bad that they threatened to stop the league altogether). so much crap has been written about the english that it's stupid to keep bringing it back up.

 

I just think that the south american scene is more lively .You ever seen footage from Argentinian games???
You could fill a book with recent events in the argie league.

 

Yes, focus on the piss bags that are being thrown at visiting teams in South America.

 

Then maybe that is what his article will be about - how the hooligan scene died in England. I don't think he's trying to find where the best brawls are. It sounds like a sociology paper and there tons of info out there about England. Sounnds like an easy A.

 

I still can't understand the hysterical reaction of the media to crowd violence. I've seen far more violence, and potential violence, on the streets of Reading at chucking out time on a typical Friday/Saturday night than I ever have at football, something I'm sure which is true up and down the country, and nobody seems bothered - yet if 25 people start chucking chairs about in a foreign square before or after an England match then they'll extend the news to give extended coverage. Part of the problem is, I think, people see what happens at England away games and assume that's what goes on at all English league games too.

 

The good old media.
There was a game in particular that stands out in memory for me.Not because of the game, more because of the events.
It was at the end of the '83 season and we were in dire straights-knocking on the door of division three(old) football.The club was in financial ruin and the white elephant of an East stand was still unfinished.All the good players had been sold off.Average crowds at home were about 10,000-15,000.

We needed points badly.Our last away game of the season was Bolton wanderers and boy did we need the points.Well we won the game 1-0 and naturally a little bit of celebration went on.Bit of bovver with the police and a few lads got onto the pitch.
All in all no big deal really.

Well, to read the rags the next day you would have though that the whole right wing faction of the headhunters had ransacked the fuckin town and raped and killed at their pleasure(ok-slight exaggeration)
Point being it was at a football game so naturally it was overdone.What was even worse was that everybody believed what they had wrote.
It then made the news and good old Angela Rippon added her poxy two pence and soon it was going all over the continent about how the police had bottled it in the "riot"

Seriously-it was unbelieveable how it blew out of sorts.
And all because it happened at a football game.

BTW...it was around that time that the sign of being tough was sporting and English flag around ones body.It was particularly popular in Greece, but done all over the continent really.

 

Yea I hear ya, I tried doin a report for Psychology on the same thing and it is tough to find stuff about south america/eastern europe, more than likely because of the language barrier.

 

Not as dead as the Bradford (?) kid that got stabbed last year.

 

No football fans got stabbed and killed in any english league matchs last year .

 

Maybe it was Burley, not sure. Something with a B. But I'm 99% sure that this happened as I got the information from pretty reliable sources.

And who said it happened AT a match? I'll see if I can get some info on this.

In the mean time, carry on

 

Burnley was this season..
some lad got hit over the head with a bottle (or something) and died.

 

Yeah it was in a pub in Burnley. Think it was against Forest. As for the hooligan scene being dead in England - when did that happen? It's still going strong, just away from the grounds. Some so called experts say it's getting worse again.

 

The only clubs in the league that have any hooligan activity in my mind is the Welsh ones. Cardiff and Swansea have problems with fans clashing when returning from away games and will occaisionly taunt some visiting fans enough for some trouble. Leeds in the cup last year.

A good example of media dramatisation is the film ID. Quite entertaining but pure fabrication.

The police are doing a good job all in all and have been granted the necessary precautions to prevent as much trouble as possible eg. scheduling rival teams to never play at home on the same day, early kick-offs etc.

 

What's the big deal about doing a football violence sociology paper in England. You don't nor will your tutor understand the background make up or sociology of the average person, let alone hooligan in England.
You can look up media records and regurgitate their crap.

Why don't you simply do something that you and the teacher can relate to. “American gun culture”
“Columbine…a nerds revenge”
“How I shot my pregnant teacher and half the class”
There’s a ton of good juicy stuff out there for you. If that’s too mundane how about the Hockey culture
“WFW on ice, with sticks”

 

Actually, you can use the your teacher's lack of knowledge on the subject to your advantage. You can spout off a whole bunch of crap(knowing that he/she more than likely won't have much of an interest)that you gathered from a couple sources and you'll have less work then say, someone doing a report on abortion. That's the way i think tho which is why i'm stuck in a community college for my first 2 years...bah

 

worst crowd trouble i got caught up in was between boro and leeds fans in 97. The day boro got relegated

 

There was a fair bit of trouble at the sunderland match this year at stadium of shite...

cause dirty mackhams only gave us 2000 tickets or something, so alot of boro fans got tickets in the sunderland stands... When boro scored quite a lot of the boro fans all started celebraing in the sunderland stands. This lead to about 15 fights.... then all the boro fans grouped together near one of the exits and were encrcled by mackhams then a ring of police and stuewards was set up....with punches flying over the police it got pretty messy. So the police brought the fans over to the boro end raising the question why they never just gave us more tickets :/

there was a few scraps outside the ground between ppl who never got on the coaches before the match.