Croatians Managers outside of Croatia and BIH

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  1. LordofTheFlies

    Dec 9, 2015
    There are 5 Croatian Managers to follow this 2016/2017 season. This thread will follow them and others as they are hired and fired.

    They are:

    Slaven Bilic - West Ham(EPL)
    Niko Kovac - Eintracht Frankfurt(1.Bundesliga)
    Ivan Juric - Genoa CFC (Serie A)
    Igor Tudor - Kardemir Karabukspor(Super Liga)
    Ivan Leko - Sint Truidense W(Jupiler Pro League)

    Sint Truidense season has already started. The team has started off with a win and a loss. The loss was away to Standard Liege(2-0). While they won at home against Lokeren(1-0). He looks like he is playing a 4-5-1 formation. Leko started with the same players in the first 2 games. Next game will be against Anderlecht at home.

    Croatian Managers that lost their jobs last season

    Tomislav Stipic - Stuttgart Kickers(Relegated from 3.Liga to Regional Southwest league)
    Tomislav Maric - Dunajska Streda (Finished 8th in Fortuna Liga last season)
    Zoran Vulic - Sheriff Tiraspol(won the Divizia National last season)
    Nenad Bjelica - Spezia Calcio(was released Nov 22, 2015)
     
  2. LordofTheFlies

    Dec 9, 2015
    Slaven Bilic's West Ham has already been knocked out of Europa League Qualifiers. Not sure he really cares about competing in the Europa league.

    Early on Sint Truidense is doing a good job defending, as they have allowed only 4 goals. But at the same token have only scored 2 goals themselves. They have played 4 games so far this season.
     
  3. Ivan Nitko

    Ivan Nitko Member

    Aug 24, 2016
    And here I thought about giving a chance to Bilic, that maybe he could be te one to go to get rid of Cacic. Well, better think again...
     
  4. LordofTheFlies

    Dec 9, 2015
    Krunoslav Jurcic was hired as the new manager of Adanaspor in the Turkish Super Lig, as of August 28th,2016. I think he has a tough job ahead of him. But best of luck to him.
     
  5. LordofTheFlies

    Dec 9, 2015
    Nenad Bjelica is the new Manager of Lech Poznan is Poland. Was officially hired yesterday(August 30th). He is a pretty decent manager. Poznan currently sit 11th in Ekstraklasa. They are under performing so thus the change. This is probably the biggest club that Bjelica has coached. Hope he does well there.
     
  6. Gilbertsson

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    Vladimir Petkovic - Croat of Bosnia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Petković

    Robert Prosinecki, Gordan Ciprić - coaches of Azerbaijan.

    Davor Cop - coach of Zmaj Blato.:cool:

    Zlatko Dalic - coach of Al Ain

    Lazo Dzepina - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazo_Džepina

    R.H. Gacanin - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodion_Gačanin

    B. Ivankovic - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branko_Ivanković

    Z. Mamic - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoran_Mamić

    Joe Mihaljevic - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Mihaljevic
     
  7. Gilbertsson

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  8. LordofTheFlies

    Dec 9, 2015
    Midseason form for the Croatian manager.

    So as of now Bilic's West Ham is in 13th place in the EPL with 19 points after 17 games
    Niko Kovac's Eintracht Frankfurt is in 4th place with 29 points after 16 games
    Ivan Leko's Sint-Truidense is in 12 place with 19 points after 20 games.
    Ivan Juric's Genoa is in 12th place with 23 points after 18 games.
    Nenad Bjelica's Lech Poznan is 5th with 32 points after 20 games
    And Igor Tudor's Karabukspor is 10th with 18 points after 15 games.
    Krunosla Jurcic was fired from his job at Adanaspor as his team were in last place at the time.

    And shout to Zlatko Dalic to taking his Saudi Side to the Asia's equivalent of the Champions league final.
     
  9. Ivan Nitko

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    Aug 24, 2016
  10. Gilbertsson

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    They have Croatian origins through their fathers.
     
  11. Ivan Nitko

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    Aug 24, 2016
    But they hadn't made their careers in croatian football so I don't think that really counts
     
  12. Gilbertsson

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  13. Ivan Nitko

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    Aug 24, 2016
    Croatians don't have names written in ćirilica, period.
     
  14. LordofTheFlies

    Dec 9, 2015
    Damir Buric(ex Hajduk trener) has ben hired as the new coach @ FC Admira Wacker Mödling in the Austrian Bundesliga. The team is currently in 6th place.

    Zoran Vulic is the new coach of FK Atyrau, which plays in the Kazakhstan Premier Liga.
     
  15. Gilbertsson

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    They are citizens of Serbia, maybe with the dual citizenship. Cyrillic script is a official script in Serbia. Everyone who lives there has the name written in that script. There are a lot of people there with Croatian, Serbian, Montenegrin ethnicity: Vanja Udovicic, Novak Djokovic, Sinisa Mihajlovic, several players of Montenegro water polo team: Drasko Brguljan, Vjekoslav Paskovic, Mladjan Janovic, Nikola Janovic. Vanja Udovicic changed his name from Franjo into Vanja, because he had problems in school in Serbia.
     
  16. Ivan Nitko

    Ivan Nitko Member

    Aug 24, 2016
    #16 Ivan Nitko, Jan 7, 2017
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    So they use ćirilika in Ćudovišija?No kidding,Sherlock!
    That's exacto the point: If they were born and raised THERE, made their careers THERE then they are one of THEM, not one of ours. As I said, CROATS don't have names written in ćirilika,and if they have they are not OURS, they are THEM.I hope I've made myself clear enough this time.By the way, do cetnici even go to school? That's hard to believe seeing how stupid they are.
     
  17. Gilbertsson

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    #17 Gilbertsson, Jan 8, 2017
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    Niko Kovac was born in Berlin. He was also raised there, made his career there in German clubs. At the end, he coached Croatia, and he returned back in Germany. I observe origins.

    Coach of Serbia Slavoljub Muslin has a father named Duje. He was born in Split. The name Duje can be traced only among Croats.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Domnius

    Tomislav Sivic carries the name Tomislav, the first Croatian king.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomislav_of_Croatia

    Obviously they are attached to Croatia in some ways. It's not easy to say about the Croatian origins in Serbia. Often they say: Bunjevac, Sokac, Belgrade citizen or they declare in regional sense as Vojvodina residents. In football terms, can anyone walk in Croatian white - red squares jersey anywhere in Serbia? I guess not.

    Their known singer Djordje Balasevic, needed to change his surname.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Đorđe_Balašević

    This politician is exclusively taking Croatian side and observe, her name is written in Cyrillic script. Before 10, 15 days, Croatian pupils, students in Serbia can finally use the books written in Croatian language.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivana_Dulić-Marković

    Politically, they need to be Serbs there and avoid every possible tensions. After they introduce democracy, human rights, things could be different and it could be easier to declare. It's easy to be a Croat in North America, South America, western Europe, Australia, South Africa. Even in Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croats have bad status.

    Observe the case of footballer Antonio Rukavina.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Rukavina

    He, who has Croatian origins, needs to be greater Serb than ordinary Serb to avoid any tensions.:rolleyes:

    Bosnia - Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo, continental Montenegro still don't have democracy, human, religious rights, possibility to declare their ethnicities, values, language, cultural and folklore characteristics. Their religions are used for brainwashing, strictly connected with those spaces and their desire for Croatian territory, sea.

    Croatian clubs in Bosnia and Herzegovina were often banned.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HŠK_Zrinjski_Mostar

    "After World War II, in 1945 the Yugoslav communist government banned the use of any nationalist names and signs."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NK_Široki_Brijeg

    "some of them including unfavourable conditions towards the town of Široki Brijeg during the communist rule"

    And they try to promote multicultural soil of Bosnia - Herzegovina.

    Confusing spaces. Do you know who wrote Croatian patriotic song Ustani bane?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustani,_bane

    Ognjeslav Utjesinovic Ostrozinski.

    Many Serbs, who are educated, accepted Croatia through centuries. The problem are those rural Serbs from Kordun, Banija, Lika, Dalmatian hinterland. They just say what their politicians say, still without electricity in their homes, they still use bunar, catrnja like in 19th century. And you talk about their education.:D How can you learn with the candle on the wind?:whistling:
     
  18. Ivan Nitko

    Ivan Nitko Member

    Aug 24, 2016
    If you walk like a rat,squeak like a rat and eat garbage as a rat,you ARE a rat. If they felt the necessity to be accepted in cudovišija they aren't Hrvati. After all, who wants to live in that hellhole anyway? They could just come to Hrvatska or Hercegovina with the rest of us. Sure, there is also Vojvodina land which they stole from us, but that's another story.
    Anyway, I see it's pointless trying to discuss with people like you, who accepts the unacceptable. You must be some jugoslavist leftist who thinks it is perfectly normal having one of them taking care of our educational system. You probably think it's right having signs written in ćirilika in Vukovar.Right, let's just let them destroy us from inside again, because krajina wasn't enough...
    Anyway, I'll probably be banned from here,since apparently saying the truth is considered "intolerance".Well,then since you like cetnici that much I hope you marry one of them and enjoy your life until it kill you while you're asleep. I'm leaving with my head raised high. Doviđenja!
     
  19. Gilbertsson

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    White rats can be used for medical and pharmaceutical experiments and for sure they don't eat garbage over there.:cool:
    In Census they say that they are Croats.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vojvodina#Demographics

    But the problem starts, if they become public figures, with success in any field of life. Imagine that someone there starts to speak about Zemun as Croatian city in media. Or support publicly Croatian people.

    One interesting case is their tennis player: Filip Krajinovic.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filip_Krajinović

    His father is named as Stjepan. This says a lot how they feel inside. During Hungarian rule, Croats could give names like Stjepan, Stipan, Stipe, Juraj, Jure, Matej, Mate, Grgo. Since 1918, this is much harder.

    Croatian Wikipedia.

    https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filip_Krajinović

    "Filip Krajinović (Sombor, Srbija, 27. rujna1992.)[1] profesionalni je srbski tenisač s hrvatskom putovnicom[3]"

    "Rođen u Somboru. Podrijetlom je Hrvat iz Sombora (otac Stjepan, majka Vera, brat Damir, sestra Katarina)."


    Croatian origins, Croatian passport, father Stjepan.:D Why isn't he Stevo, Stevan? But he plays for Serbia and his name is written with Cyrillic script also.

    It's easy to have head raised high in USA, Australia, Canada, try to do that in Sarajevo, Mostar, Brcko, Zenica, Bihac, Banja Luka, Belgrade, Zrenjanin, Sombor with limited financial assets, without possibility to move out and provide the life with better standard. Just observe their politicians, the tone of their words, religious brainwashing, their alliances and imagine how is to live with 300 $ every month in those looney tunes landscapes.:D If someone says anything unacceptable, even those 300 $ go down the drain, lost jobs for example. Rightist Croats know how was after 1918. and 1945 when they started to declare. It's easy to be second, third generation of Croats and write about pride in Cleveland, San Pedro, Toronto, Mississauga, Norval, Melbourne, Canberra, Chicago...

    I don't know anyone who returned home in Brotnjo, Citluk, Siroki Brig, Ljubuski until the very old age, above 60. Even if they return, they rather settle in Istra, coastal Croatia, Zagreb. Financial assets are dictating peoples lives, desires and priorities.

    Observe my previous posts.
     
  20. Ivan Nitko

    Ivan Nitko Member

    Aug 24, 2016
    You are either one of us or one of them. If they decides to live and work there then they're s***s not Croats and that's a fact. Living in Vojvodina is a thingthing, since that's croatian land, but in actual S****a it's unnaceptable. But it's how I said it's pointless trying to discuss that with a traitor. If your parents hadn't taught you to never trust a s*** then I'm not the one that will teach you. But if a son or daughter of mine ever got involved with one of those cudovište I would disown him/her. To a half čudovište be ever considered Hrvat then first of all they must choose us and prove that they're really one of our, like Ante Starcevic or Drazen Petrovic. If they don't, then they're not.
    You're telling me you would actually eat something prepared by s*** hands (actually, claws would be more appropriate)?! You're sick!
     
  21. Ivan Nitko

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    Aug 24, 2016
    That's discussion is over for me.I'll not lose my time with a sick traitor who talks as if there were good s***s even when everybody knows that a good s*** is a dead s***. Who says otherwise is obviously sick. Too bad NATO hadn't nuked that pile of shit they call country. After all, if they nuked Japan which is a beautiful country why not getting rid of jebena Ćudovištija? It would help making the world a better place.
     
  22. Ivan Nitko

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    Aug 24, 2016
    Actually USA nuked Japan, not NATO.But whatever.
     
  23. Gilbertsson

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    #23 Gilbertsson, Jan 11, 2017
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    Where could they work? Will Hajduk or Dinamo hire them, can they assist Slaven Bilic in West Ham. The reality is that Sivic and Muslin are obviously average coaches.
    Nobody lives in actual Serbia. Under the river Danube you don't have anything. Vojvodina became Serbian in 1848 year.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vojvodina

    Vojvodina is a agricultural land. People collected land for centuries over there and since 1848 they needed to leave everything and go where?

    Croats from Janjevo (Kosovo) left from there and they still live in a refugee camp Mala Gorica in Petrinja, barracks made of wood. Observe their homes.

    http://www.vecernji.hr/hrvatska/zadnji-prognanici-dobivaju-nove-kuce-1023219

    Croats of Janjevo share different customs, for me they are much more similar to Albanians than to Croats.

    Another group lives in Kistanje. Croatian place with Cyrillic script.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kistanje

    What can Croats get if they leave their homes in Serbia? Mala Gorica and Kistanje. It's not some major benefit.

    People talk about Cyrillic script in Vukovar. Many villages in Croatia have bilingual insignia on public institutions. But people react only on something that is created in media.

    Also, do you know which parties accepted bilingual insignia in Vukovar? Rightist parties. Because rightists need minority party lists as their allies and members of government.

    I don't even know anyone from Serbia. I don't even listen turbo folk music: Seka Aleksic, Severina, Ceca, Halid Beslic, Zdravko Colic, etc. But guess what, their concerts are sold out in Croatia and abroad. Who are those Croats who listen such music? Many of them practice Roman Catholic faith and visit concerts of Mate Bulic, Thompson, Miroslav Skoro. And you are also aware that. I know that Croats in diaspora adore this type of music, especially those with weaker education.

    A lot of people who were leftists before 27 years, today hold the first rows in every Roman Catholic church. You are also aware of that.

    Parents taught me enough, I can also make some conclusions. Lectio prima, lectio premis of my parents. Observe what others don't observe, investigate what is hidden, understand the mystery of every society. These lessons are much more valuable.

    Observe the cities and municipalities in the bottom:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_of_Croatia

    Open them and you will see Croatian cities written in Cyrillic script, but you are critical to Croats in Serbia, who also have the same script. How can you blame them if you have this in your own homeland? But you didn't knew this probably, Vukovar was present in media constantly, so you thought that only this city has bilingual insignia.

    I agree that people who have Croatian-Serbian side are ex-Yugoslavs for sure. But it's interesting to observe those people today who turned as the greatest Croats in Croatia, or the greatest Serbs in Serbia.:D Also, they are in the first rows of every church, respected and accepted.:cool: They even organize tours in Medjugorje, Bleiburg.
    But you know that already.;)

    Ante Starcevic, his mother was a Serb. I know one story that he made one application for a law office in Belgrade, he wrote in Cyrillic script and he became refused. One of the reasons why he hated Serbs. I don't trust that such people can become sincere patriots, I always connect this to personal interest and the soil where you need to survive.

    One footballer from Herzegovina was a Yugoslav, atheist player of Hajduk Split, he was married to one Serbian handball player. Croatia was created, he divorced soon and he promoted the holy water of Fatima sanctuary during his football matches, he would spill the water on the grass.:D

    Drazen Petrovic is a cousin of Dejan Bodiroga. One has strong Croatian sentiment, other has strong Serbian sentiment. Is this really the case?:D They are both from East Herzegovina.

    Personally, I don't trust to people if they say that they are great Croats, Serbs, if they have these ethnic groups in their family trees. Because I have seen many funny things. Person whose mother is Serbian and father from Croatia sang some songs, that you probably know, the song about the dawn and the day and about the fog above Kupres, Zagreb.:D Of course, it was funny to me.

    A lot of Croatian products, that you buy abroad was made and packed in Serbia. Cheaper labour force. And I know that Croats abroad can buy those Croatian products (chocolates, napolitanke, etc.) in diaspora for very high prices, ripping in Balkan way of course.:D They go on peoples emotions and rise the prices. I remember one event where one Sarma costed 9 dollars.:D

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    I see here 36 dollars.:cool: Imagine eating this during the late spring, on one main square without the fridge.:rolleyes:
    0800 - Salmonella. Dial now.

    Western countries want to take Serbia away from Russia. That's why they are kind to them. Germany wants to see them in EU very fast and a lot of Croats consider Germans as allies.

    Also, Vatican doesn't wan't to accept Kosovo, because they want to make kind relations to Orthodox Christians. If they accept Kosovo, this could bring negative reactions from Serbia, Russia. Croats also consider Vatican as their allies.

    Are they really Croatian allies, or am I the only one who sees geo-strategic, economic interests. Was Croatian independence only one strategic goal so that Russia can't count on the Adriatic sea and Central Europe.

    http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/vatican-on-kosovo-and-serbian-orthodox-church

    Why isn't Croatia today a better place? 14.4 % of unemployment.:D

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/croatia/unemployment-rate

    Average salary in Croatia is 5642 Croatian kuna. Or 750 Euro's.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/croatia/wages

    325 000 people are blocked in their banks.

    450 000 retired people.

    People in Croatia need to work until 65 if they want to make their retirement. Students need to pay expensive fees and tuitions. Public health institutions is weak, so people pay expensive treatments in private clinics.

    That's why people in Croatia discuss so much about the ideology, about the WWII, fields in the coat of arm, war in 1991. Poverty makes them angry and they believe that someone else is guilty for this economic state. If could they all have euro's, all wars could end finally.:thumbsup:
     
  24. Gilbertsson

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  25. Gilbertsson

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