Cristiano Ronaldo ~ Your Favorite Player Is So Much Better!! Thread

Baggio's style

honestly

I don't really like it

it was more about shorter dribbles in speed

short dribbles, acceleration, agility

and dribbles in speed


honestly

I prefer Gullit's Style much more than Baggio Style of dribbling skills "!

Baggio

sometimes

seemed

like a player

who was physically disabled

and uncoordinated


honestly limited





Zico and Diego ... yes ..I agree with you no doubts at all "!

 

another Zico's Show


great feints "!

 

Zico Las bicicletas or Las Pedaladas de Zico


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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FwH18Cx0ydY





Look the Fouls on this game !


hahahaha

pure MMA ?????

 

The thing is Isaias, when you are standing at one of the extremes of a spectrum (far left or far right), even the centre of the spectrum starts appearing like radical to you. It is relative to your point of view and your position where you stand.

Your constant mentioning of "Messiphiles" only reveals your own bias towards Ronaldo and extremism, because you can not concieve possibility that someone actually doesnt care about Ronaldo or Messi as such, but approach debates from a balanced, central perspective with different motivations in mind.

Of course, you will percieve me as a Messiphile, for example, and will feel threatened by it, but this is only true from an extremist position. So of course, a balanced take and upholding of high standards of analysis will seem radical.

So if i asked what are total number of minutes played in ucl in the said period, this would be percieved as Messiphilism to you.

The reality is tho that in this forum, there are several Ronaldo extremists (and few other kinds) so by default, responses to them seem like oriented against Ronaldo. But make no mistake, it is not downplaying of Ronaldo, it is a reaction against bias and extremism that is taking place in the forum.

These kind of analysis of Ronaldo, have nothing to do with geniune standards of intellectual honesty and love for the sport of football. It is throwing cherry picked slices of reality against the wall to manipulate narrative and hoping it sticks.

Dont be surprised when "Messiphiles" come your way when you are making shallow, baseless assertions in favor of Ronaldo.

 

Cristiano Ronaldo
100 matches played
963.3 km covered
Average of 9.63 km per match

Lionel Messi
86 matches played
645.1 km covered
Average of 7.50 km per match

In no season did Messi cover more of the pitch than Cristiano. If there’s someone who "just stands around," it’s definitely not CR7.

 

Where did the top 5 list disappear all of a sudden? Now it is not about Ronaldo covering more distance than anyone in ucl from 2011 to 2020, but Ronaldo covering more distance on average than Messi?

This is not what you initially focused on.

Besides that, who has ever claimed that Ronaldo is standing around?

You are strawmanning argument that has never been claimed by anyone on the forum and picking it apart. What is the point of the data?

 

A lot of Messi fans here in Brazil call Ronaldo a cone saying he only stands still in the box waiting for a pass. Out of Brazil they don't use the therm cone but tap-in merchant which carries the same idea. The goal of the data is to ridicule the idea of a "traffic cone" running 900+ kilometers and turning it against those same Messi fans showing that Messi covers less ground than the tap-in merchant

 

Third best serie A player of the season 1988-89. 34 years old.

 

Stand up guy.

 

yes, two wonderful players at all ... and Total Footballers !



i think so

by the entire Matches that i saw from Ruud Gullit ... in 19 Matches ...1988/1989 season


Gullit only will lose in performances team-work general actions ... per 90 minutes played and at averages

to Lothar Matthaus

and mainly Andreas Brehme "!

 

Lothar Matthaus and Brehme ;;; 1988/1989 season is insane at all ..

even Serena also .... at Serie A Calcio ..... 1988/1989 ....season..


by the whole Matches ...and compacts that I saw ...already "!

 

Franco Baresi also and Antonio Careca ... Gullit will lose ..also "! at Serie A Calcio ... 88/89 "!

 

but Junior ...was very very good also ..like Tita also on this Season ...in Italy .. "!

 

Personally I don't care for what he did since moving away from Europe. He's there only to reach the achievement of 1000 official goals while he remains fit to play for NT. But being competitive is in his nature, and Al Hilal obviously has a clear advantage in having an owner other than PIF. He could reduce his salary to bring in better players if he really wants to compete for titles with Al Nassr, but I don't think he'll do that since he's saving up. He has always been professional and praised for his work ethic, but this time he wasn't professional by going on strike. He could have harmed his own team by not playing or training, and that's not like him. In the end everything worked out, Al Nassr won the game he didn't play in, and he's back in action and was the best player on the field.

 

It is not like him, except he actually did it.

Very similar behavior to Zlatan.

 

Demanding more signings (aka resources). Literally resource-demanding behavior by definition.

Do you think this doesn't translate to on the pitch in multiple ways?

 

"Most of the “Ronaldo vs Pirlo” tactical friction at Juventus is retrospective and second-hand, not a well-documented public feud at the time. The allegations cluster around one core mismatch:

The alleged mismatch: Pirlo’s intended high-press system vs Ronaldo’s off-ball profile
In 2025, Pirlo’s former assistant (Alparslan Erdem) claimed that Pirlo didn’t want Ronaldo because Pirlo wanted a more intense, collective pressing game—and that internal analysis showed Ronaldo was the team’s worst (or among the worst) for sprints / high-press contribution. In the same account, Pirlo is said to have preferred Álvaro Morata because he fit the planned 4-4-2 better, and that the system “didn’t work” cleanly with Ronaldo (and also Paulo Dybala). (Football Italia)

That claim matters because it lines up with Pirlo’s documented coaching ideals: his coaching-thesis summaries describe proactive defending and winning the ball back high (at least situationally), with all players involved across phases. (Diario AS)

So the “friction,” tactically, is basically:

• Pirlo’s blueprint wants coordinated pressure and collective movement.
  
• Ronaldo, late-career, is often managed with selective pressing so he can maximize penalty-box output.
  
• That forces compromises: asymmetric pressing, more mid-block defending at times, or extra running load pushed onto the partner striker / midfielders.
  

How it was framed by critics during 2020–21
Even in-season, the critique you’d hear wasn’t “they hate each other,” but “this doesn’t fit.” For example, Antonio Cassano argued that Pirlo’s intended style (build-up + higher pressure) didn’t suit Ronaldo because of reduced contribution to the collective phases despite elite finishing. (Diario AS)

That’s not definitive proof of internal conflict—but it shows the same tactical fault-line was publicly discussed while Pirlo was still coach.

A smaller, concrete example: defensive-wall duties
A more specific (and very public) mini-issue was Ronaldo’s role in defensive walls on free kicks; after renewed criticism over his wall behavior, Pirlo said he’d have to make a decision about whether Ronaldo should remain in the wall. (Goal)
That’s not “system philosophy” friction, but it is a tactical-management point where the coach is openly weighing whether a star should do (or be exempt from) a particular defensive task.

What isn’t strongly evidenced
There isn’t strong, consistent reporting (from the time) of a major personal blow-up or a sustained public tactical war between them. The strongest “Pirlo didn’t want him / couldn’t fit him” narrative comes from later retellings tied to Bild podcast coverage and follow-on media reports. (beIN SPORTS)

If you want the cleanest one-line summary: the alleged friction is that Pirlo wanted a more press-capable, system-compliant forward structure, while Ronaldo’s presence required tactical exemptions and structural accommodations that diluted that plan."

https://football-italia.net/pirlo-did-not-want-cristiano-ronaldo-juventus

 

So show me one single time he weren't professional and refused to play or train in Europe cause he were unsatisfied with something other than just before he came to Saudi League in which there were the context of him losing his daughter and Ten Haag disrespecting him. You won't be able to find cause as I said, it's not like him. It's silly for you to compare Ronaldo's work ethic to Ibrahimovic. You're just showing you're a hater.

Yes, I do. But as I said I really don't care for what he does in the Saudi League. And I don't approve this behavior. One of the things that made me a fan of Cristiano is precisely his work ethic. That's why I said that throughout his career, it was never in his nature to be unprofessional. Quite the opposite. He always elevated his teammates by example. The first to arrive, the last to leave, the one who gets most frustrated when he loses, he even influenced his teammates' diets because he wanted everyone to give their best.

 

It has nothing to do with work ethic. He hasnt protested because he didnt want to train that day. It is about mentality and the level of demand it presupposes. It is not one off moment.

I am 1000% sure he had continued to train for himself during the protest. You are spinning it into work ethic discussion.

You dont need touches on the ball to be demanding player.

 

I get what you are trying to say, but I think it is wrong to think about this as "tactical friction" requiring two valid perspectives. Rather, I think we should care about what actually produces wins. This is because it is greatly within a coach's control how he adapts his system, and more flexibility generally indicates a coach that understands his personnel.

Pirlo is the main reason this "mismatch" existed. He had Ronaldo. And this was an opportunity. When he got Ronaldo, he had the greatest goalscorer in Champions League history. He chose not to build around that. If you talk about "intended high-press system," you actually reward a coach for prioritizing ideology over results. Conversely, you penalize a generational talent for being too valuable to waste on defensive sprints. I don't think that is fair. I think it makes way more sense to care about what actually happened versus what might have happened in Pirlo's imagination.

Let me illustrate this with an example. Let's say you have two coaches: Coach A and Coach B. Both coaches get a 35-year-old Ronaldo. Coach A adjusts his system to maximize Ronaldo's penalty-box output, wins the league, and reaches Champions League quarterfinals. Coach B insists on his "high-press ideals," creates friction, finishes fourth, and gets eliminated early. By your logic, Coach B is the better coach because he stuck to his principles. But that seems like a crazy conclusion. Coach A did everything Coach B did, while also actually winning. So Coach A is clearly doing more for his team over the course of a season than Coach B. Anyone in their right mind would rather have Coach A. The only way you wouldn't prefer Coach A is if you think that tactical purity matters more than trophies. But that is silly, and completely ignores that football is about winning matches, not about philosophical coherence.

And that, in a nutshell, is how I think of Pirlo and Zidane. Zidane provided very similar defensive structure (actually better). But Zidane also built around Ronaldo's strengths. So he provided more for his team per season than Pirlo did.

Let me put this another way. If I told you that next year your team could have a coach who, given Ronaldo, would either adapt to win or insist on his system and underperform, you would take the adapter, right?

 

I guess there is always a balance between what a coach gets out of a player productively and what he requests in terms of work without the ball etc. It's not only about system, but for example Rui Costa if played in a relatively deeper or more two-way role would be falling back into the midfield, running back to help defensively etc more than if played as more of a free attackind mid or number 10 (but maybe increasingly in the modern game a number 10 type would be asked to contribute with 'defensive work' in the form of pressing etc - there is also the question of the downsides to that I guess in terms of energy depletion, not being in optimum positions to create things and suchlike):
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